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Who REALLY killed Fry - Creature or Riddick

posted 18 years ago by mrosem2
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Ok, I just finished watching the first Riddick movie (first, as far as I know, anyway) and now have a question. I swear up and down that it was one of the creatures who got Fry, but my grandson swears just as strongly that it was Riddick who killed her by stabbing her in the back.

My grandson is 16 and he's normally pretty darn observant and we've never disagreed so violently about a movie plot before. He's ALMOST got me questioning my own idea on what happened so I really need to know!

I say that Riddick had no reason to kill Fry.
I also say that this movie was pretty darn good... much, much better than I expected it to be! Now I'm off to watch the second movie, but I gotta know for sure who Fry's killer was, so......

Please - someone - anyone - help!

[–] sokebong 17 years ago

just watched the two movies, again. and must admit i like them both a lot!

Riddick: Would you die for them?
Fry: I would try for them!
Riddick: You didn't answer me.
Fry: Yes, Riddick. I would. I would die for them.

anyways... ever consider it to be a trade? "Would you die for them?" she says yes and Riddick agrees to help them, and as "agreed" he kills her and screaming "not for me" as she did not die for him, but for them. Riddick is a planner he screams out and knows Fry would come, pretending to be badly wounded so he would recieve help and getting really close to Fry to look her into her eyes. If Riddick was so wounded he couldnt even walk how did he make it back to the ship? Yes, there might have been a bond between Fry and Riddick, but i believe there was a bigger bond between jack and Riddick. In the end with riddick saying he died on the planet. Might be to the fact he showed compassion to others, which the old Riddick would never have done.

know its old post and people not not care about this anymore, anyways really underrated movie.

[–] filmbuff20 17 years ago

"If Riddick was so wounded he couldnt even walk how did he make it back to the ship?"

Good point, wish I'd thought of it. Damn you!

Gruesome isn't he? Fumbles at your head like a freshman pulling on a panty girdle.

[–] truewiccan013 17 years ago

To answer your question, it was most certainly the 'raptor' that killed fry. You can see it's tail/claw coming out of her abdomen when the creature pulls her away

[–] filmbuff20 17 years ago

Freeze frame again. It's holding her like you would grasp a bottle.

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[–] shadow13_6 17 years ago

has anyone considered the possibility that riddick accidently slashed fry? when i first saw that scene, i was trying to figure out if he had done it on purpose or not, whether or not he did it. the way he's stumbling around, falling on fry, it's (yet another) entirely plausible possibility.

[–] RayLN 17 years ago

Until I read this thread, I had always thought Riddick had stabbed her in the back so the creatures would smell her blood and take her away instead. It brought more interesting questions as to Riddick's character.

Bang Bang.

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[–] jackysgirl 14 years ago

Quite the contrary -- it misses the point of the scene, of Riddick's entire experience, of Riddick's Shakespearean cry of "NOT FOR ME!" It makes no sense whatsoever to think he killed her. She died for him. She saved him, and she brought him back to humanity. He cries out "NOT FOR ME" because he doesn't feel he is worthy of her sacrifice. It really did feel like a Shakespearean tragedy in that light -- the kind of scene you just don't see in science fiction very often.

I am amazed that anyone can watch the film and so wholly misunderstand the action, the subtext, and the conclusion.... but then as they say, it's impossible to idiot proof anything. Granted, perhaps a child might not understand what Riddick meant (and thus know he hadn't killed her) but for an adult to miss it is almost incomprehensible.

Exactly. It is sad for those who missed this agony that Riddick felt when Fry died.
He liked and respected her very much and would do most anything for her as shown.
but people do tend to interpret things based on their own personalities. It is sad that Riddick's agony and pain in the end were missed due to our own selfish outlooks and judgmental attitude towards others.
It was a tragic scene because Riddick was so crushed and would have preferred to give his life for her rather than have her die, especially NOT for him!
The fact that many missed that and saw the opposite of what happened shows how cruelly people tend to judge others even when they do not come close to deserving it. That is sad.
Riddick comes out of this movie a destroyed man for the exact reason that he lost FRY (Not by his hand) because he cared for her and respected her so much.

[–] thepredator 14 years ago

I just watched it on TV and so I came here... well, Riddick may like her, but I say he killed her. He was in pretty bad shape fighting with the two creatures (bleeding!) and knew they couldn't make it, so he used her as bait to *survive*. Also they both are the only pilots, hence without them the others die -> "not for me" as some consolation for his consciousness.

[–] locobobbito11 17 years ago

its the creature that killed fry cuz riddick was injured so they could smell his blood so they attack and since fry happins to be at the wrong spot at the wrong time the creature gets her but cant blame ur son for being wrong cuz when i first watched it i thought riddick killed since h told he shortly before she died that "would you die for them" which she said yes so thats wat i thought but i doubt he would respond "not for me" if he killed her and to me its obvious that you see the creatures claw through fry but not everyone has a sharp eye

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[–] xenotae 17 years ago

i just finished watching the movie. and its simple, that gramps was right about the bird thing killing fry. when u notice the creature sticking its tail it2 her back, riddick, 4 1, shows pity in his eyes 4 her, thenas she is taken away, riddick reaches 4 her, but is 2 weak 2 hold on.

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[–] BrooklynsChosen718 17 years ago

He stabbed her and the creature killed her..

Brooklyn Rules is a good film
Fell asleep during POTC 3, then went to see it again..

[–] keith-yunggun 17 years ago

Earlier in the flick Fry says "I said i would die for them not for you." not sure when that is. Riddik has sour feelings about this and cuts her, baiting the creature towards her. The creature kills her but its because of riddik. "Not me" means that she didnt care enough about him to die for him, not him, a kind of "You would die for them but not me" deal. I also think he may have said "never me" also not sure tho.

Hope this still has value so late.

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[–] keith-yunggun 17 years ago

fantastic way to back up your opinions

i just watched it and he doesnt say "never me" but he does say "not for me"

at least in the Directors cut

dunno bout the theatrical but im pretty sure

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[–] empathy44 17 years ago

This debate always boils down to one thing: Some people WANT Riddick to have betrayed her. They like the idea of him being so cold blooded that he sacrifices Fry. Show them a script, a novelization, point out visual clues or director's commentaries, it doesn't matter because, given those few moments of ambiguity, it's not what they want to have happened. Well, that and the image quality of some people's TV's are better than others.

[–] Genox17 17 years ago

I watched the scene with the commentaries, and they don't say anything about it, they just say they like the scene.

Love is the adult version of Santa. And how do we know Santa didn't get stuck in the chimney?

[–] empathy44 17 years ago

Well, here's my turn to say "I think" which really shouldn't convince anyone--but that won't stop me from posting now will it?

I think I've read that in interviews the director has made clear that it's the creature that killed Fry.

[–] etharper-1 17 years ago

When Fry is grabbed by the creature and pulled away Riddick falls down because he was trying to reach out for her. He shouts "not for me," (repeating her earlier line about how she wouldn't die for him) because he does not think he was worth dying for. He's essentially saying that he would have traded places with her (in the jaws of the monster) given the chance.

This is why the film ends with Riddick saying, "Tell them Riddick is dead. He died on that planet." That is not just Riddick's cop-out. He's actually saying that he is a different person -- no longer the selfish killer he was. He's been changed by his experience on the planet, and by the example of Fry's heroism. That he WOULD put another person before himself now.

If Riddick had killed Fry at the end, the story would make no sense because Riddick would not have changed at all during the course of the film (he would have had no "arc). And ALL the characters in the film change from beginning to end. Some become better people (Fry, Riddick), and some become worse (Johns).