don't worry, it's obvious i won't take it the wrong way:)i haven't really thought about the flaws of the black cauldron, i also haven't read the books, i just sat sown and watched it and it grabbed me immedietly all the way. may be because of the low imdb raiting i didn't have high expectations, i just wanted to see as many disney movies as i can and while i was watching i thought that a disney animated sword-and-sorcery movie should look and feel exactly like this. about the taran character, i thought it was weak and one dimensional, too. but it didn't bother me much because i was having a good time. i wanted it to be longer, which is a good thing. about treasure planet, i watched it again yesterday and i liked it more than the first time. it happens someteimes. especially the john silver character. the film is imaginative, the relationships are presented right, the personalities are strong and the action sequences are worth the big budget. what i didn't like were the colors, the atmosphere. the portal at the end looks different in my head, and the treasure, too. they should have given us more of the planet. that's where i think disney animators would have done a really good job and i missed it while i was watching. also some of the creatures were a little bit exaggerated like capt. flint and all those eyes. i guess i am an old school disney fan, i miss the magic of beauty and the beast and peter pan and the hand drawing (although i am aware that beauty is made with the help of compures too, only it doesn't look that way, at least not much). computers are starting to annoy me, but on the other hand i really like the pixar movies and dreamworks' shrek. for me animation is all about how you feel watching it, it's not like live action movies where flaws are everything and the good parts don't make things right. in animation they do. but what you've said about the black cauldron was very interesting and you're right, only knowing it now don't make me feel less satisfied from the experience.
my english is not very good, i hope i've made myself clear about what i've tryed to explain.
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18 years ago
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todor_hub4ev
18 years ago
after all i haven't made myself clear:) more english practice i guess:) what i meant about the magic wasn't that i like only magical fairy tales with magicians and whiches and turning beasts into men, flying lost boys and a sexy little mermaid who leaves her underwater paradice for the love of her life. by magic i meant the way they were doing animation before. by hand drawing, by giving life into every frame. i feel they were doing it more for themselves than for the audience (which is not true of course but it's how i feel it). all of those "not magical" disney movies you recommended are among my favourites, too. they ARE magical, you know. but something is missing lately. ok let's not "demean" treasure planet anymore, let's talk about atlantis for example. i agree with you that it's a disappointment, i only liked the action sequences at the beginning and at the end and kida was cute. and i think if it had been made 15-20 years ago, with not that much money involved, and in the tradion of the old disney movies it would have been better. i think that the giant robots at the end for example wouldn't exist at all and somehow the trip to atlantis was uneven with all those trucks in a place where there are no roads! i'd prefer if the group was walking and strange scary things happen to it (just an example). and so on. i'm not against computers, too. finding nemo was amazing and it was also magical. i only think that computers changed the animators' touch. there won't be characters like sebastian, lady or thumper anymore. there was something innocent about them. now everyone tries to be funny (most of the time succesfully by the way) and the special effects are stunning but that's it. last night i sat down to watch dinosaur. i only watched 10 minutes because i had to go out, but i saw the little baby dinosaur and the monkeys kept saying oh, what a cute baby, and it wasn't cute at all. it was all so real. and with a budget which was about 150 million, in my opinion the main purpose was everything to look as real as possible. what's the point? it's animation after all? i love animation because it's not real. if i want to see good special effects i'll go and see king kong, you know?
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MetFanMac
18 years ago
Why don't you two take this discussion to the Private Messaging, mm?
Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.
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todor_hub4ev
18 years ago
because i don't want to miss your interesting comments.
love haters
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fatalx_and_the_uberjew_c
18 years ago
No, yall should stay. You're giving me something to read that doesnt include bitter pointless argueing between two people over something silly. You two are actually 'discussing'things which is what Im pretty sure these boards were made for. If you dont like their discussion, then just move on to another board please.
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dustbunnies-2
18 years ago
OK wow... all the movies the poster mentioned are some of my all time favorite movies. cept Lilo and Stitch.
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