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Even MORE questions and plot holes

posted 3 years ago by avortac4 (3770)
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I GOTTA stop watching 'reactions' to this movie, because every time I do, I notice many weird things about this movie, or create questions there aren't answers to. Here's another session...

- Reproduction and seed, parents, etc.

Reproduction seems NEEDLESSLY COMPLEX (like everything the machines do in this movie).

First, the man has to seduce the woman and make her fall in love with him. Then at some point, they have sex. What's going on with their real bodies when this is happening? Do the bodies ever spontaniously ejaculate, and if so, what happens, do the machines just routinely collect sperm and urea? What if they get mixed up?

In any case, so the man in the matrix ejaculates, and that somehow makes the woman in the matrix pregnant. It's all fine and dandy, but then what happens in the real world? Do they collect the man's sperm, then insert it into the vagina of the woman's real body, or HOW do they 'grow' human beings? Where does the sperm come from, and what about the egg and the 'artificial womb'? I am assuming women don't give birth in the real world.

Do they collect the actual egg from the actual mother of the child, and actual sperm from the actual father of the child, or is it just some random procedure?

Why would they do it this way, when this requires SO MUCH meticulous SYNCHRONIZING all the time, of the real world and the virtual one? I mean, when a child is born in 'the matrix', (although that's supposedly not what happens, because humans are no longer born - I think they SHOULD've said humans are only born in the virtual world, not the real world), to some 'parents', is that a real child plugged in, or a virtual child? Does that child in the real world have ANYTHING to do with the parents in the virtual world, or is it just some 'random, grown newborn' that is then allowed to (somehow, and for some reason) grow with random adults who had intercourse in the virtual world, so they can think they have a kid, although they really don't?

It's like.. the more you think about this, the less anything makes sense, and the more explanation would be required. HOW does it all work? Are parents in the virtual world raising a kid that's not theirs, because it's synthetically grown and doesn't have their actual DNA in the real world, _BUT_ still has their DNA in the virtual world?

Could a black baby be born in the real world, while its 'avatar' is white or asian?

Think about HOW MUCH the machines would need to synchronize to make sure everything is exactly as the parents would expect, OR how crazy it is when the physical world is completely different from the virtual one.

Either the machines do QUITE A LOT of UNNECESSARY synchronizing work with the sperm, matching physical bodies to virtual ones, and the whole parenting and family thing..

..or it's just a really crazy situation, and a HUGE coincidence that Morpheus, Neo, Trinity and others just HAPPEN to have avatars that look EXACTLY like their physical bodies do.

How about fat people? You are fat in the virtual world, is your body in the real world actually thin? Why even program this kind of details, when it's completely unnecessary?

The physical world rules, and programming and enforcing them SO meticulously takes WAY too much CPU power compared to the minimum amount that's necessary.

Think about an old computer or video game, the first 3D games barely had any proper 'physical laws', and even those were faked. Half-Life 2 was probably the first game where they tried to make 'realistic physical laws', so you can break things, throw things, stack things to create weight and so on.

Why would the machines make the physical laws _SO_ detailed? Why would they create things like atoms, quarks, the whole quantum physics weirdness, or EVEN molecules, when it would never be needed for the purpose of just having BATTERIES?

- "Your mind makes it real"

Ok, so your 'mind makes it real', so anything you experience in the virtual side, happens to you on the physical side, because that's how powerful a mind is, and that's how minds work (NOT).

So what happens, if you get the flu in the virtual world. Does your physical body also get the sniffles? If a finger gets cut off, does your physical body suddenly drop a finger? What about a limb being cut off in a car accident, will your arm or leg just fall off?

You see my point? How can you BLEED from a virtual bullet, if your finger won't fall off or if you don't get the flu for real?

Where is the line drawn, and why is mind so against you that it will kill you if IT thinks something is real, EVEN WHEN YOU _KNOW_ it's not? Do you die for real if you are immersed in a video game, where someone snipes you?

The more you think about this, the stupider it starts to look. The writers included this JUST so there would be some kind of tension in the movie. It makes no sense.

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

- Try

Why does this movie nullify Yoda's great message, 'there is no try'? The 'wise kid' just says things like 'try to realize the truth'. TRY? "There is no try" is changed to "There is no SPOON", which is just so much stupider.

- Physical laws METICULOUSLY reproduced although no need

I already brushed on this, but why are there such meticulous physical laws, all down to the atomic and sub-atomic level? How big is the Matrix anyway, does it include other planets? (Might as well, considering just how much CPU POWER is required to model a whole planet on an atomic level)

Why can't they just let people 'get better' and 'not die' so easily? What if everyone THOUGHT you can't die very easily in the world, and the Matrix was programmed to allow this mindset, then they would save SO many people, whole crops could be saved. No one would ever die, except until old age forces the body to release the soul.

But no, instead they METICULOUSLY make the world identical to '1999 Earth', and keep EVERY SINGLE LIMIT although it makes no sense from their perspective.

If someone loses a finger, why couldn't it just grow back? Why couldn't the machines play a bit loose with this kind of rules, whom would it harm? Same goes for limbs and car accidents and anything people would NORMALLY die from - why do they have to even include 'inside-Matrix-deaths'? Why even go through with funerals, just erase everyone's memory of the dead one, and make that one disapper. Bingo, no need for graveyards or whatnot, saving a lot of CPU power again.

There are _SO_ incredibly many optimizations that could be made, and the machines would have _WAY_ better croplife, WAY more CPU power at their disposal, WAY less waste, and so on. But for _SOME_ reason (WHAT REASON?!) the machines have made the Matrix _AS_INEFFICIENT_AS_POSSIBLE_, or at least very close. There's absolutely no reason for machines to do that!

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

In any case, everyone would benefit if the physical laws were primitive, like in a computer or video game, you would not die from jumping off a building, car accidents wouldn't kill ya, finger would grow back (or couldn't even be cut), people couldn't injure or harm each other, and so on. So much CPU power saved, and no one would die, except for old age.

- Why can't 'squiddies' intercept radio messages (or detect
a ship that's RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM)?

This needs no explanation, but holy heck - 'another ship' sent a 'warning' about squids, but the squids can't send 'a warning' about these human-piloted ships? What?

Why can't they just SCAN for radiowaves and all kinds of communication methods? Aren't the machines MORE ADVANCED than the really old human ships? Why can't they technologically overpower them instantly?

Also, couldn't the machines just 'nuke' the sewers, remove oxygen from the planet, or some kind of biochemical warfare instead of REALLY inefficient, tiny 'war machines' that don't detect anything that's 10 meters in FRONT OF THEM, and don't even INTERCEPT any radiowaves or messages.

Heck, in World War 2, people were able to intercept each other's messages, and this was a real-world life-and-death situation, an actual WAR!

Also, it was 1940s technology. Think about that for a second. 1940s technology was better than the future tech in this movie. What other explanation is there?

Machines that can create something as ridiculously and needlessly complex as 'The Matrix', should be able to create at least 1940s level of radar and radio equipment!

- Why are the Zion's mainframe computer codes given to EVERY SHIP?

What's the benefit for giving these codes to EVERY SHIP? Why does every ship need these codes? What IS Zion's mainframe computer, and why is it so important? Isn't it archaic to even USE a 'mainframe computer', when you can just use zillions of tiny computers (as the modern cell phones already show is very possible to do)?

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

Why put all your eggs in ONE basket during a damn WAR? Even the whole internet was actually created just so there WOULDN'T be a central computer that's easily attacked; it exists because people wanted to create a network, where the important data could withstand even a 'nuclear war' or something.

WHY WOULD THE PEOPLE IN THIS MOVIE DO ANYTHING LESS? They have ALREADY 'survived' a nuclear war! Yet, they didn't learn their lesson?!

What kind of sense does that make?

Why is there only one Zion, and not multiple cities and hubs, underground tunneling networks á la Viet Gong, etc.?

- What if you don't do drugs, and thus don't take ANY pills?

Why is the blue pill 'necessary', when you can just go home and forget the whole thing? Does it erase your memory?

- Why would tiny, 'unreal' leg injury reduce the jumping ability of
Morpheus THAT much? He knows how to bend and break the rules! He
KNOWS the wound isn't real, so why would his mind 'make it real' anyway?
Does Morpheus have a mind-created bullet in his real body's leg?

- How does death work?

We know that if someone dies, the robots flush them down and liquify the
body. However, why even LET their batteries die just because there's
an 'accident' inside the virtual world, or some disease, or drug
problem, a knife fight, whatever? Why let their 'mind make it real'? Very
inefficient to let your batteries just die so much - how much perfectly
good power do they lose from all these 'deaths before their time' that
happen constantly in The Matrix?

Thinking about funerals - are their real bodies already 'flushed' when the people
inside are still having funerals? So the priest makes his speech while the virtual
body is lowered into the grave, while the actual body is already flushed, and the pod
is possibly already housing someone new?

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

- Why does Mouse shoot?

What if Mouse never shot anyone, just raised his hands and told them he surrenders. He would be alive, interrogated, maybe jailed, but at least then he could be rescued. What kind of sense does it make that he just starts trying to murder people immediately?

Also, we are shown THAT kind of weapons he has, and he can't even hit ONE single guy? I thought for sure, the 'regular-gun SWAT team guys' would be goners when THAT kind of super-effective-looking double guns are shot at that kind of fast rate. But not even one bullet hits? Why? What? This whole thing makes no sense, but what else is new.

The more I think about this movie, the less sense it seems to make. I wish I could see a movie that doesn't have plot holes or this kind of thoughtless details. It would be very cool to see a movie, where the writers have actually THOUGHT THROUGH their story, instead of just releasing something like THIS movie.. sure, the movie is 'cool' and 'slick', but holy COW does it not hold up under any kind of scrutiny!

This movie is a treasure chest of 'faults, flaws, details that make no sense, things that provoke questions' and such. So you might expect even more of my posts scrutinizing and questioning this movie's ridiculousness.

[–] 123Guy (7845) 3 years ago

learn this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

Life can be easy, even fun!

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

this guys fucking wacko

[–] 123Guy (7845) 3 years ago

me or the OP? :D

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

the OP