I thought the woman playing the mistress looked like a man in drag at times, especially during close-ups. Did anyone else notice that?
shareI thought it was a dude too. Lola's mom must've been a real dog if the tranny was a step up.
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I noticed that too. She is freaky ugly for a woman, and for a man too.
it's a german woman... mostly they look like that :)
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Are you just stupid or racist too?
shareI'm neither. But having been to Germany I can understand how the stereotype evolved. Whenever you go into clubs the girls are always going to be hot, Germany included. But it's also the one country where I most distinctly remember how little the average German woman walking around actually put into their appearance. By this, I mean woman walking around with no makeup and literally gobs of armpit hair hanging out and such. Now, this could mean that German woman are far less inclined to care about their appearance in a male dominated world, which could imply they're simply more evolved and the country more egalitarian. I'm not at all trying to claim, as the poster you're responding to, that German woman on the whole are "ugly" in the least, just that they care less, on average, about their physical appearance in day to day life ... at least that was my impression from my experience there.
Some fellows get credit for being conservative when they are only stupid.
- Kin Hubbard
Why don't you know that "woman" is singular and "women" is plural?
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Diane Kruger is German, so your point is invalid
shareThey just casted normal looking actors. This ain't Hollywood where every single character has to look way above average beautiful.
shareYou're still in your teens, I take it, where looks means more than personality. You've got a long, long way to go and lots to learn.
shareWow, you are condescending. If you're going "there", by saying personality is more important than looks, please enlighten me as to how this woman had a winning personality. Having an affair with a married man who also has a family? Being careless/stupid enough to get pregnant with him?
I'm not a teenager, but I'd like to know what fantasy world you live in where people cease to be shallow once they reach their 20s. I'm all for realism, but she did look like a man to me. It's not like I said they should have cast some beautiful actress.
Speaking of shallow, why don't you try not making assumptions about a person based on one post? You know nothing about me.
I thought it was a guy too, until she said 'I'm pregnant'. THAT cleared it up lol-although Lola's father isn't the baby daddy.
shareThat's true, I forgot he wasn't Lola's biological father. I'm sure she still saw him as a father considering he raised her, so his actions, and rant, had to hurt.
shareIf you actually open your eyes you'll realize that the fantasy world you are talking about is the movie world and the (usually young) people that try to imitate what they see. but in the real world things are different. People hook up for various reasons and you'll see lots of "odd" couples. And talking of that: You usually won't be able to see who has an affair with who because they keep it secret, duh. But affairs happen, lots and lots of. Love is never logical and doesn't follow straight forward rules. When you are asking why could anybody like someone that loves a married man, then you have indeed a looong way to go and you have probably never been in love so far.
And about attraction and looks: Looks will always be important, yes, but the older you get, the more important everything else will become. And if you get to know somebody through circumstances (in this case working together) you can easily fall in love without caring much about looks. Going to clubs and hitting on the bestlooking people while seeking for ONSs doesn't have anything to do with love. Finding a partner that way is like playing lottery.
It may have started off that way, but you're naïve if you think movies and other media have had no impact on society. I'm willing to bet you're a male if you really don't see that. My initial post wasn't about love or personality. I made one observation: I said the character looked like a man, and it turns into ridiculous assumptions about me. I shouldn't be surprised, though. Internet message boards have also had an impact on society, where people think they can personally attack someone based on one post. If this is really important to you, go to any other actor's board, I mean any, and you'll see far worse things said about their looks. Go criticize those posters, because I didn't sign up for a discussion about my personal life.
shareI said right away that media HAS impact on society! Mostly on younger ones though. But it hasn't come so far that looks is everything that counts. Also, there are lots of people that have a taste that differs from the generic formula that the media tells us. That's all I said.
shareAt this point we're just going in circles. You did say that, but you singled out young people. And I already said there are shallow people of all ages. Anyway, I don't want to waste any more time with someone who dares to tell me I have a lot to learn. I don't know who the hell you think you are, trying to "teach" me about life. Let me teach you something: you'll be a lot happier if you stop looking for things to nitpick and judge people about on message boards.
shareAnd that's not judging? ;)
Just saying.
Yep, but you're the one who made it personal.
shareNo, that was KnightWind. From there you fought back in the same manner. What I replied to was your claim/question "I'd like to know what fantasy world you live in where people cease to be shallow once they reach their 20s."
Also, you repeatedly claim that this actress looks like a man and that therefore it is unrealistic that anyone wants to be together with her. Which is also something that just isn't true. Actually, to my experience, women that are a bit masculine are very attractive and usually also have the better personalties. You can, of course, write that off as some odd dude's preferrence.
I tried to keep it on topic and not respond about my personal life beyond letting him know I'm not a teenager. You jumped on the bandwagon by saying I had a lot to learn about love, had never been in love, etc. It would have been easy to just "prove" I'm not shallow by sharing experiences about my personal life, but I don't have to prove anything, and it's no one's business. This isn't a board about me. This is the Internet Movie Database, and I was discussing something about a movie character. I made an observation that the character looked like a man, and it basically becomes, "Now listen here, young lady, you are shallow and have a lot to learn." Do you not see how silly that is?
Besides, if you like masculine-looking women, why should my post bother you? Did I say, "Ew! Gross! She looks like a man!"? No, I actually think I was pretty objective the way I said it. There was no subtext, and any subtext you read into it came from your own assumptions. For instance, I never said it was unrealistic anyone would want to be with her. The other poster said I should take into account personality, so I played his game and stated exactly what I knew about her character: she was a homewrecker.
I really think I'm being punished for making this one observation, so you got what you wanted.
"I really think I'm being punished for making this one observation, so you got what you wanted."
Ah and now you know what I wanted? ;)
What I wanted is: Defending the choice of actors. Hence my very first post in this thread. Then you claimed that a world in which personality becomes more important and looks less important once you get older must be a fantasy world. Which is not true, but in order to see this, you must have some experience and that is usually found in older people.
And about her beig a homewrecker: First, love is love, if it truly strikes you, you don't care. Second, that home was already wrecked. Third, it's the same as with looks: You simply cannot reduce love to some simple formula. You claim fot yourself that we should not judge you by those little words you typed. And yet you judge that woman and certify her a bad character basing on about 2 minutes of screentime and, like 5 sentences of her. We know as little about you as you know about her character.
True, I didn't know what you wanted; it just seemed like you were trying to make me feel bad. I just can't, though. I can't feel bad over being honest about her appearance, and I certainly won't feel bad for judging a fictional character. That's fine if you want to defend the casting, but if you read my previous posts, I mentioned that it was never my intention to suggest they should have recast this role. It was so minor, but her appearance did catch my attention. I don't know how else to say it besides I was making an observation that she looked like a man. It had nothing to do with whether she deserved to be loved or not. Maybe you shouldn't assume the worst about people when they make an observation.
I just think it's strange to defend the character when I called her a homewrecker. Like I said, the other poster mentioned personality, and all I had to go on was her affair with a married man. We're talking about a movie character, whereas I am a real person. It's not okay for me to judge a fictional character (based on her actions, not her looks), but it's okay to judge me--a real person--based on one statement? That's what I don't get. You are telling me I'm wrong for judging a character, but you're totally fine with judging me. It's easy to forget you're talking to real people on the Internet, so let me remind you: I'm a real person with real feelings. The woman who played the character will never read my post, and if she ever did, I bet she wouldn't care one bit what I think.
I don't know what else to say about this. We don't agree on the shallow/age thing, so there's no point in discussing that any further. And obviously my personal life is off the table, so if you want to believe I'm a shallow teenager who's never experienced/doesn't understand love, I'm at peace with that.
I don't want to hurt you, I don't want to embarrass you, I am not here to win fights. But I am interesting in your thinking and reasoning. It doesn't matter of you are a real person or a fictional movie character while talking about realism in movies. Either I can make assumptions on someone basing on a few sentences or I cannot. It's not about if you could hurt someone, it's about the truth. Your train of thought was: you think she is a homewrecker => she must have a bad personality => personality can't be the reason why Lolas father loves her => the movie was unrealistic. And I am trying to tell you that you can't judge someone's character that fast, whether that is a real person or fictional character, for the same reassons you claim for yourself.
Listen, I am just interested in the way you think. You say you are no teen anymore and you do understand love. So, why do you think looks are still the most important thing in the world after 20? That's the conflict I am trying to solve. Your personal life is indeed off the table, I don't care, but this is a discussion board and I'd like to know your opinion and reasoning. Mine is: Love is unpredictable, chaotic and there are so many more factors involved than looks. I have a friend that likes fat girls. Anotherone prefers skinny ones with muscular legs. I am prone to hook up with psychos. Another friend has a fetisch for long hair going on and doesn't care about the rest. One female friend only dates men that are 20 years older than her.
Hence, movies are hardly ever unrealistic because everything can happen.
But the thing is, you keep jumping to these conclusions or making up statements I never said. I didn't say looks are the most important thing in the world after 20. (?!?!?!) I said people don't automatically stop being shallow once they cease to be teenagers. Everyone is different; some people were never shallow, and some people will be shallow forever. The teenage years might be the time when shallowness is at its peak, but that doesn't necessarily mean it dissipates. (Man, once you say "shallow" over and over it starts to sound funny. Try it.)
"Your train of thought was: you think she is a homewrecker => she must have a bad personality => personality can't be the reason why Lolas father loves her => the movie was unrealistic."
Again, you couldn't possibly know my train of thought. The movie's realism never crossed my mind during this discussion. I was merely playing devil's advocate when the other dude said personality was more important. Yeah, that's stating the obvious. Personality is important, but I dare anyone to say they would be with someone they found totally unattractive. And I mean what each individual finds attractive, not what society deems attractive. How do you know you're interested in talking to someone? If you're at a party or another place with single people, do you just know who has the best personality? You have to start somewhere, and that somewhere is usually appearance.
So, back to the other poster (and I love that he started all this!)--he said the thing about personality, so I looked at her character from what I knew about her. Yes, it's obvious there's more to her (in the world of the movie), but because the poster talked about personality, I had to choose what was presented. I wasn't looking at her from the point of view of the father. The filmmakers choose what to show us. And if all I have to go on is that she is a homewrecker, this isn't a person I would automatically think is a fantastic catch.
I agree, love has no rhyme or reason. It surprises me all the time. I will tell you this--when I was a teenager, my celebrity crushes were Conan O'Brien and David Letterman. Most people don't find them attractive, but those men can make me laugh. I could never be with someone who didn't have a great sense of humor.
Well, in some way I *have* to jump to conclusions. One always days while talking.
Okay, I think I understand you better now. And I'll let the case rest in favour of a new one^^:
If you ask women to name characteristics that their dream man should have, most of them name "humour" among their top3. I always thought that this is kind of bogus because I rarely see a funny male winning the heart of a woman over someone else that is sexy, exciting or whatever. You would be the first one to live up to what you said.
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i agree! maybe she needed a nosejob
Though I do think that German women are among the most beautiful in the world (I'm not even going to start listing the supermodels from there), I DO agree that the actress in this scene (Nina Petri) does look particularly awful, especially the way she was lit and shot on harsh VHS. She is a rather androgynous-looking actress to begin with, but her looks in RLR are not very flattering.
Here's another shot of her in better light: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nina+Petri+e5ki--moO8pm.jpg
Though I do think that German women are among the most beautiful in the world
I think she was hot! I'd love to find out if she's got freckles all over!!
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
She had a very strong jaw line in profile - considered very unattractive for a woman according to Western standards. Looking at her features from the front, she looked more feminine. This film isn't a Hollywood film with unrealistically high standards of "beauty", but a European, small-budget movie that used ordinary looking actors. Real acting is about transcending one's physical looks to inhabit a character, so yeah, maybe she looked quite masculine, but who cares in the end?
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