Relation to Marxism


Whilst watching this movie recently, I struck me that Anthony Hopkins' character and his views are very close to Marxism.

Hunter Gatherers
When describing his wall painting to Cuba Gooding Jnr, he talks about the primitive man, the hunter gatherers. Marx's analysis of history mirrors this completetly. Marxism calls this epoch of history "Primitive Communism". Hopkins actually explains Marx's analysis to Gooding Jnr. He talks about how they "never took more land than they needed", and that they "shared" and "never declared war". They didn't stockpile food, they simply took what they "needed". Then, the 'takers' came and changed all that.

'Takers'
Throughout the film, Hopkins calls Gooding Jnr a 'taker', along with the majority of the people in the world. This is because they enforce control, and subordinate people to their will. This can be translated in Marxist terms as the bourgeoisie, or even the capitalist/feudal/slave state. The 'takers' are the ruling class in every society. They 'take' from people, they exploit the majority of the people for their own ends. They 'take' their freedoms, through the various arms of the state (police, army etc).

'My Illusions'
After pinning down Gooding Jnr on the table and telling him to write what he has taken away from him, he finally realises he has taken away his illusions. His illusions of wealth, career, material possessions etc. In Marxist terms, this can be identified as a person's class consciousness. For example, working class people have illusions such as a new fancy car etc. But Hopkins was trying to make the point that these are just illusions, and Gooding Jnr should really try and understand what is actually happening in the real world.

'Freedom'
Gooding Jnr - "You're free to go"
Hopkins - "Am I? Are you?"

This also has something to do with illusions. If we live in America, or Britain or France, we think we live in a 'free' society. But Marxism questions that. As Marx said, "The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them." If this is the maximum amount of democracy we hold, are we free? Or is Gooding Jnr trapped?

Strategy
When Gooding Jnr asks Hopkins what to do in the world, how to resolve the problems etc, he doesn't give a clear cut answer. He says, "We have only one thing to give up. Our dominion. We don't own the world. We're not kings yet. Not gods. Can we give that up? Too precious, all that control? Too tempting, being a god?"

Although on the face of it he is referring to animals, "we" can be interpreted to mean the bourgeoisie. Hopkins frequently claims how he was a 'taker'. "Too precious, all that control?" is a clear example of my explanation. Capitalists do own the world, but shouldn't. The whole population of the world should. Another world is possible, and for that to be achieved, the small elite who currently make the decisions have to give up that control.

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That was a frigin beautiful post. Very few people seem to understand this movie the way you do, even though it explains its message to the viewer pretty directly. I would just like to add that you don't have to completely agree with Marxism as a practical way to live in order to believe in the message of Instinct, but there is definately a relation.

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I couldn't agree more but these same theories can be applied to buddhism, giving up material posessions, awakening from the illusions that all is right with the world and removing from ourselves our want and greed and opting simply for need whilst understanding others and respecting their freedom to live life as they choose (as long as it doesn't cause harm to others)

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I disagree with the OP, though he makes very interesting points. John Lapaglia is right when he says that Marx was a hard-core materialist, and LLGL is right when he / she says that these theories can be applied to Buddhism. Because Marxism Strives for material needs, and Buddhism sacrifices material needs.

An unrelated point is that the Western World has a Freedom of Opportunity. Hopkins can get away with this behavior, and you see that his wife and daughter can get their material needs without him. I have seen so many shameless and selfish people in India exalting themselves to immaculate, pristine spiritual standards of Buddhism, ( like LLGL said ... giving up material posessions, awakening from the illusions, removing from ourselves our want and greed etc etc ) without caring a damn that their children want to live in this material world.





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I couldn't agree more but these same theories can be applied to buddhism

'd say he is more an anarchist than a Marxist, a Anarcho-Primitivist.


As you can see, the words that the movie is trying to express have many different interpretations.

You made a very good point and I would like to recommend you to ask Daniel Quinn, the author of the book Ismael what does he think about what you just wrote.

You can contact him by e-mail.

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I am a scholar studing advanced sociology (yes, I'm trying to get my PhD). Your post is excellent but I will keep my reply short. I disagree. Marx was a student of Hegel, and Marx was a hard-core MATERIALIST. He believed that the world is material and that we need material to suvive (food). Who controls the means of production are those in power (ie: those who own the factories, markets, and other institutions). All other institutions are INDIRECTLY controlled by the capitalists (Religion tells proletarians to work hard and shut up; Police and courts jail the rebellious poor; public education teaches the poor that they are stupid and can only work a minimum wage job while the capitalist's children go to expensive excellent schools, etc.). Marx just thought it would be great for EVERYONE to own the factories and share in the profits instead of ONLY the capitalists. I think it is closer to Freud, how at an elemental level we are all just animals (OMG, I can talk for years about how this film relates that Freud!). Anyway, thanks. JL

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I'd say he is more an anarchist than a Marxist, a Anarcho-Primitivist. See the wikipedia page on that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism



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An interesting analogy. It's hard to say if marxism is a more 'natural' order of things per se. Even in the ape world, there's hierarchy - but yes, our elites have gone way beyond what could be called reasonable, as far as wealth and work distribution are concerned.

I will also say that Urbanization is a prison in itself - much more so than natural environment or even small villages. We try to free ourselves from the dominance of nature, but actually sink deeper into the trappings of the iron walls we build around ourselves.

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