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what was the point of the cube?


Who put them there? Why were they selected? What happened to Kazan at the end? This is the type of movie that makes me hate humans as a whole.

this is your life and it is ending one minute at a time

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It's funny. The explanation to some is given in the movie. People just don't like to accept it. they expect some design or motivation. That's what we expect from the world but the scary truth is we are at the mercy of the systems we have created. The world doesn't work the way we expect. There is no grand design, no master plan, or big conspiracy.

The idea is essentially you have a system in this movie that has run amok. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing... except there are many hands, not two. People are all working on parts of it and no one understands the whole. Who puts them in there? Some employs working for some firm hired to work on a big project kind of like Worth was just some random employ who designed a small portion of it.

Straight from the movie itself:

-Holloway, you don't get it.

-Then help me, please, I need to know.

-This may be hard for you to understand, but there's no conspiracy. Nobody is in charge. It's a headless blunder operating under the illusion of a master plan. Can you grasp that? Big brother is not watching you.

-What kind of f_____' explanation is that?

-It's the best you are gonna get. I looked, and the only conclusion I could come to is that there is nobody up there.

- Somebody had to say yes to this thing.

- What thing? Only we know what it is.

- We have no idea what it is.

- We know more than anybody else. I mean, somebody might have known sometime before they go, they got fired, or voted out, or sold it, but if this place ever had a purpose, and it got miscommunicated, or lost in a shuffle. I mean, this is and accident, a forgotten perpetual public works project. Do you think anybody wants to ask questions? All they want is a clear conscience, and a fat paycheck. I leaned on my shovel for months on this one. This was a great job!

-Why put people in it?

-Because it's here. You have to use it or you admit it's pointless.

-But it is pointless.

-That's my point.

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Sorry for responding so fast and seeming like a creeper haha I just happened to be on. Thanks for that. It is frustrating to realize that is the idea but that is pretty neat too. Just that idea itself is enough to make my brain hurt and I remember how damn psychotic Quentin got after that so I see a correlation. A person could drive themselves crazy just from asking the "why" questions. I know it doesn't really matter who put them there but it bothers me too. Haha.. like when you start to think existentially about the universe or God and after a minute or two your brain shuts down. Anyway thank you! I'm enjoying the movie more now that a few days have past.

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you're welcome. I admit it's a frustrating explanation in many ways. We have gotten so used to the idea of there being someone in charge making sure things run right. But it's often not true. It's why governments and big companies end up with lots of redundant programs sometimes with little to no oversight. humans build things to make our lives simpler. it's in our nature. we design systems and policies to better lives. but even a policy built on the best of intentions can change over time and become something nightmarish that doesn't resemble its original intent that affects everyone regardless. in a way we are trapped in a cube we have built. we don't know where the traps lay. sometimes it may seem like a vast conspiracy (and there are plenty of conspiracy theorists out there) but in a way it's scarier than that. at least if there was a conspiracy someone could fix the cube even if they didn't want to. but if we built the cube around ourselves its much harder to fix things when they go wrong. who knows if we really can? this is really an existential horror film which is a genre you don't see too much. definitely not a genre for everyone. i liked the film though i wish the acting were a bit better.

of course you can check out the sequels if you want a different explanation. but they aren't very good and their "explanations."

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That really got me thinking, about how you said the Cube represents what happens when the system goes amok.

National socialism was supposed to make peoples lives easier, and it ended up killing millions of people. Kafkaesque indeed.

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I was kinda lost at the end of the movie, but as soon as I came across this topic it became crystal clear to me. Gave it a 9/10 since is thought provoking and all the needed information is hidden in plain sight.

It seems the content of the movie was rather obvious to you while for me was puzzling, congrats, I didn't see it coming.

I'll leave this [url:http://archive.org/stream/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-theUnabombersManifesto_djvu.txt]here[/url]

Well this is from the Unabomber, his manifesto and why he carried out the attacks. He explains how the SYSTEM was really close to achieve a mind of its own and was feeding on our constant need of easier lives, to control all the aspects of it and the increasing technology involved in this process.

I think it relates a lot to the content of this movie. It's worth reading.


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How would this fit cube zero story ?

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That makes absolutely no sense. Yes I understood that people sometimes don't know who's in charge but someone has the power. Someone build it to get something from it. Someone put them into the cube to get something from it. If they were put into the cube without anyone knowing why then there is only one reasonable explanation. THE MOVIE IS POINTLESS. A pointless movie with a pointless idea.

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This is like saying John Carpenter's The Thing makes no sense because the monster has no logic in its phisiology. Truth is, the cube serves as a good metaphor for life. Our lifes have no meaning nor purpose until we give it one, but the fact is, no higher power planned this existence. We simply exist because we do, and nothing more.

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Truth is, the cube serves as a good metaphor for life. Our lifes [sic] have no meaning nor purpose until we give it one, but the fact is, no higher power planned this existence.




So I'm guessing that you're an atheist. If you don't believe that a higher power planned, or at least is influencing our lives...

I think that is the problem I'm having with this discussion; I have worked in government, both Federal and our local County, for 20-years. I fully understand "bureaucracy" and have seen it in action many times... I continue to shake my head when I see things like 3 'pallets' of computers show up when we ordered 3 'computers'. But they get sent back with a minimum of cost and fuss.

I just cannot believe (and it is my "belief") that The Cube demonstrates that there is no higher power.

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It's not a good metaphor for life, because our lives may in fact have meaning and purpose, and there may in fact be a higher power that planned our existence. Even if we perhaps can't fully understand them on our level of being.

It's also not a good metaphor, because someone clearly did design the cube for some reason. And put those people in it for some reason. Even if the people in there don't understand why.

For example, it's probably some kind of experiment to test how people interact together under stressful circumstances.

The difference is that it's a lot easier to find out the actual purpose of the cube, and why they were place there. Just have to find the the people behind the construction, and the people who put them there.

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It's not a good metaphor for life, because our lives may in fact have meaning and purpose, and there may in fact be a higher power that planned our existence. Even if we perhaps can't fully understand them on our level of being.

And at what point was it confirmed that the cube had no purpose whatsoever? It was just an assumption made by Worth. Which is exactly like life. Some people think they got it all figured out. But actually, they'll never know.

It's also not a good metaphor, because someone clearly did design the cube for some reason. And put those people in it for some reason. Even if the people in there don't understand why.

Yes, precisely. But who designed it? The government? We don't know. Not even Worth knows. Why were they put there? These questions are never answered, because there's no point in asking them in the first place once you're inside the cube. Like life.

For example, it's probably some kind of experiment to test how people interact together under stressful circumstances.

Probably. Do we know? No. Life is probably meaningless. But do we know? No.

The difference is that it's a lot easier to find out the actual purpose of the cube, and why they were place there. Just have to find the the people behind the construction, and the people who put them there.

Yes, that's a difference. But do any of the characters actually find out? No. They die along the way, searching for the answer. And that's... well... life.

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You're assuming the person in charge is entirely competent or is aware of the details. Just look at how large government departments work and if you try to get varying levels of government to work together. It becomes a giant *beep*

I've worked on many projects that start out as an idea that gets twisted and changed into something not even remotely resembling the initial idea. Different people take ownership, different agendas etc come into play.

The ONLY unrealistic thing is the use of people in the cube. That said, we are assuming this is a project in a western country, however it is entirely possible that those enacting the project are from a country with a hostile relationship toward the country of the characters origin, in which standard protocol toward ethics can often be ignored. Especially during a period of war.

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Except that would never happen in real life.

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Whoa man, that totally changed my perception of the movie. I liked the concept of the cube and found it unusual and interesting but after reading about your assessment of it, I realized how deep its meaning is. Indeed it is a metaphor for our system.

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I read it basically as a meditation on prisons. It probably comes from Fouchault and the other Euro Left philosophy, note all the references to 'the system.'

For example they don't know who built the cube, just as we don't know who invented the prison. Who first had the idea that criminals should be punished by geographical confinement? No one knows.

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You'll find it not so much about punishment and confinement as about protection and segregation.

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Didn't read other posts so my idea might not sound original:

The cube is a metaphor for Earth or the Universe and we humans on it. We don't know where we came from, who created it, what we are doing here. We just appeared here with no specific reason. The cube is there for no specific reason, it's just there and there's people on it.

Some of them have theories of a meaning, and want to believe there is one.

We can't take the sequel/prequel into consideration for explanation. They were made just to make money on the initial idea.

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POINTLESS STORY, POINTLESS MOVIE. Much like a Soccer game, all ebb and flow, back and forth, and no scoring. I want to sue for my time back. BORING.

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There is no reasonable explanation. The initial movie was entertaining but it's clear that the writer/director had no clear explanation and that the Cube merely served as a plot device for a rather intriguing movie. Once the sequels came out it's clear that they scrambled to come up with some poorly thought-out reason for the Cube, which makes zero sense.

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The director made a short film showing what was beyond the bridge, but later destroyed it.

The sequels, which aren't canon in my opinion, eventually explain everything, but poorly. They leave more unanswered questions and it's quite sloppy.

Massive spoilers for the trilogy below:

Hypercube and Zero both explain that the government or government like agency is responsible for the construction and usage of the structure. Zero further explains that people are placed inside for having done something against the government or are wards of the state to some extent. Zero further explains, in a very fanfiction type way, that everyone inside consented to being placed inside, but have no recollection of it. This is done badly in writing, but it helps clear up why some of their memories are hazy and fuzzy, where as some are fine and others can barely remember their own name.

In Hypercube; an engineer who build the technology for the touch doors, two former employees of the organization (one is an almost senile mathematics professor of some kind) and an intelligent (but blind) computer hacker are just a few of the people placed inside. With Zero, one of the people inside was a political protester. Zero has a lot of weird issues, one being that they have robotics technology or kill drones (think Terminator) that are generals that are placed inside to keep people from reaching their goals or are outside the structure to keep them from getting away. It's cheesy and stupid, but perhaps it explains more about Quentin's volatile behavior.

Regarding where Kazan went, it's one of two possibilities. He either safely crossed the bridge and found his way to the exterior of the shell; taking him outside to the woods. Another being that he ended up like someone who tried to escape; being taken to a dark room and being asked a series of questions--where if he guessed wrong, he would be killed.

A popular theory is that Kazan was a former employee of the group behind the structure and was lobotomized for his actions; presumably trying to aid the people inside in their escape. This is aided by the actions done by someone in Zero. If he made it, we'll probably never know--but more than likely he didn't succeed.

Our songs will all be silenced, but what of it? Go on singing. -- Orson Welles

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There is actually a very elegant and profound meaning behind this film:

The cube is a metaphor for life.

There is nothing more to it. Some people prefer a complex, literal interpretation, but I don't think that is helpful.

People were placed in a cube (the world). They do not know the purpose of this cube (meaning of life). They assume someone had to have created the cube (a higher power with a divine plan). They debate their existence in this cube (theology and philosophy). They pass through numerous rooms filled with obstacles, gradually becoming more attuned to how the cube operates and devising plans to survive in their environment (science and technology). They must all cooperate to maintain order, even despite their differences, or run the risk of anarchy and eventual self-annihilation (society and politics).

And, of course, the very last scene where Kazan walks into the light at the end of the tunnel is a metaphor for heaven and the afterlife.

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Damn, you hit the nail in the head for sure.

See you at the party, Richter!

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I agree with everything you say. Moreover, nobody has mentioned a very important part: when the girl discovers that the room they where in when everything started was the one that would take them to the bridge she says something like "we shouldn't have moved in the first place". We could also think of that as saying sometimes we try so hard to make something out of life when we should just relax.

On the other hand the role of the policeman is very interesting because he turns out to be totally fascist and aggressive but on the other hand, in the beginning of the movie he really is the one that "leads" them, encourages them and gives them hope.

Finally, I think that the reason why Kazan is the only one saved is also a metaphor of how sometimes over thinking or seeking control won't necessarily save you.

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"we shouldn't have moved in the first place"


Wasn't that because they realised the cubes were moving and if only they'd stayed in the same cube the mechanism would eventually have moved them to the exit?


...it's just another dumb film, get over it.

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yup.

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Well said sir. Clear, succinct, to the point. That's a gift we should all appreciate. :)


...it's just another dumb film, get over it.

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hahaha. agreed.

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"...Finally, I think that the reason why Kazan is the only one saved is also a metaphor of how sometimes over thinking or seeking control won't necessarily save you."

Just read about this movie; never seen it, but like your take on it. Thanks! Wondered about the similarities to Saw, but after reading about, the only comparison is the "thought provoking." It helps to have some kind of intellect I guess; esp. if you work well with numbers! I loved math so think I might get more out of it than most. Thanks again.

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Holy *beep* I never thought about that. That's actually brilliant.

Our songs will all be silenced, but what of it? Go on singing. -- Orson Welles

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Uh...and what's your explanation for the death of all the other characters?

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this might quite possibly be the filmmakers attempt and explanation- but in the end it is essentially a nonanswer then

if the Cube itself is simply serving as a metaphor then the whole film itself is simply a metaphor

not that that takes anything away from it, but in terms of explaining anything it doesn't. because the Cube doesn't exist (even in the constraints of its own film) if its simply intended to represent life and ill purpose

she fell through a hole, and was never seen again

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Cubes don't have points. Cubes have sides.

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😂😂

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Actually, cubes have 8 vertices, which are the points where the edges intersect.

Maybe the point of this flick is where these edgy people intersect.

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14 A Cube Has 14 Points/Corners

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All The Theories Sound Great, But Here Is My Take, The Cube And It's Creator/s Are Not Addressed Because The Movie Wasn't About The Cube Or It's Creator. The Movie Is About How Given The Opportunity To Work Together For A Common Goal, We Instead Let All Our Primal Reactions Rule Us And Let Them Destroy What Little Chance We As A Species Have In Surviving. They Were All Being Either Cruel, Rude, Sarcastic, Selfish, Self Involved And Manipulative And In The End It Was These Qualities And Not The Cube That Got Them Killed. Why Was Kazan The Only One To Survive ..... Blessed Are The Children ....... (Any Way That's Just The Way I Saw The Movie) ....

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A cube is a three dimensional shape that features all right angles and a height, width and depth that are all equal. A cube has 6 square faces.
A cube has 8 points (vertices).
A cube has 12 edges.


https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+points+does+a+cube+have%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Dude, why do you capitalize every word? Its extremely annoying.


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That was written by Kazan.

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