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Only men getting killed in boardroom scene=bull**** feminist Dogma


Anyone else annoyed that all the men were killed in the boardroom and only the oh holier-than-thou, infallible, fallen to earth angel female was the one that lived?

Feminist DOGMA, anyone?

What's even more ratbastardly sickening is how most of the men killed were for reasons involving harming, but not even violently harming, women. *vomits* What kind of abhorrent gender feminist propaganda delusion is this self-hating fool Kevin Smith guy (who has ONE good movie to his name I might add, that being Clerks, maybe Clerks II) infected with?

Funny that ten years+ on justice department and FBI stats, Centers for Disease Control, the American Journal of Public Health, and many other reports, stats, and studies show women physically abuse and murder their children more (and often get away with doing that, as well as murdering adults, as I'm sure you've all by now at least witnessed in the news more than a few times), abuse their spouses and partners more, even female sex abusers are on the rise, females committing violence/assault is on the rise, women cheating on their men almost if not as much as men (despite recent sensationalist media spotlighting on celebrity male philanderers) tend to attract. I wonder if he could still get away with that kind of propaganda today.

Smitty seems to have a bad self-hating male streak and some extremely misguided ideas about men and women. This dungheap should be pelted, not with cigarettes (ha ha), but with rotten fruit for his self-defeating promotion of misandry and sexism towards men.

Well that's enough ranting for now. Any thoughts from men or women out there in IMDb land? And please, preferably not from gender/ideological feminist women or men, or men who aren't walked all over, self-hating chumps with no dignity or self-respect (which feminist agitprop movies like these more than likely contributed to making)?

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wow aren't you just a little ray of sunshine.

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This film is rife with propaganda. What else do you expect from Hollywood?

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Are you high? Get over it; it's a movie.

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Movies, and other forms of media, can actually be more influential and powerful over forming thoughts/beliefs and socializing people than parents and schools can be. Often, young people are way more inspired by things like movies than they are by their own parents or what they learn in school. This is why I don't treat these things as "only a movie". It's a tired old cliche to say that. Movies and other media productions CAN and DO influence/manipulate people to think and believe in certain ways. That and the fact that this isn't among some rare minority of movies or other media productions that contain man bad/woman good messages like this is why it's a cause to speak up about. If this kind of message wasn't as pervasive as it is, then I wouldn't be as upset about it, or at all upset about it. Unfortunately, it is pervasive, and has only gotten worse since the time this movie came out. That's why it's a cause to be concerned about and why I speak up about it whenever I can. If you have a son or a brother or whatever, then I don't see why you shouldn't be either.

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Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I get a feeling that Smith was conflicted by two things. If he didn't include a woman in the boardroom, some may call him out as being sexist but at the same time he didn't want a woman to be killed since I guess that would be a lot darker than just some expendable men being murdered.

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He could have easily put more women in the boardroom scene around the table and have them get shot too, and still have one woman survive. Then that wouldn't have been sexist. By 1999, lots of companies would have multiple women around their boardroom table, so it's not like that wouldn't have been feasible to do. Even just showing one woman get shot too would have rid the scene of its gender ideological stink. But no, all the bad ones had to be men with one pure and good woman spared. Pretty disgusting. This movie is just one example among many that do this kind of thing. If it were only a small number of others that do this, I wouldn't be as upset about it as I am. But no, this kind of message is pervasive and I'll be sure to call it out whenever I see it (hopefully you'll do the same).

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There are a couple of issues here.

Firstly, she was a woman. Women are known to lead pure lives.

Secondly, the woman herself was 'attractive'. 'Attractive women' are known to lead pure lives.

Therefore, how would it be remotely possible for her to NOT be doubly pure?

Yes, I agree that they should have had the woman equally guilty of some sin, and have a random man 'leading a good life'. I think that would have sent a better message.

9/10 men lead sinful lives.
1/1 women lead sinful lives.
1/11 people 'lead good lives'.

With the above statistics it would be obvious (I think) that NOBODY is saying 100% of women are sinful. It would just say that 'that particular token woman' was sinful.

Anyway - that's how I would have written it (but they didn't ask me).


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There are a couple of issues here.

Firstly, she was a woman. Women are known to lead pure lives.

Secondly, the woman herself was 'attractive'. 'Attractive women' are known to lead pure lives.

Therefore, how would it be remotely possible for her to NOT be doubly pure?

Yes, I agree that they should have had the woman equally guilty of some sin, and have a random man 'leading a good life'. I think that would have sent a better message.

9/10 men lead sinful lives.
1/1 women lead sinful lives.
1/11 people 'lead good lives'.

With the above statistics it would be obvious (I think) that NOBODY is saying 100% of women are sinful. It would just say that 'that particular token woman' was sinful.



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Only men getting killed in boardroom scene=bull**** feminist Dogma
by Sheldonshells» Sun Jan 29 2012 02:02:57
IMDb member since July 2006
Post Edited:Thu Nov 15 2012 12:06:09
Anyone else annoyed that all the men were killed in the boardroom and only the oh holier-than-thou, infallible, fallen to earth angel female was the one that lived?

They didn't particularly encounter too many "female" angels
Not to mention the VERY OBVIOUS angels have no real gender.
Gender is required to procreate.
God as God needs no real gender because God wills things into existance such as the baby inside Bethany. Realistically God as God can be whatgever God wants-a butterfly one minute, a Giraffe the next. For all anyone knows if there is a God, it changes shape as it feels & gender is only for those lesser creatures which cannot will future generations of themselves into existence.
I've seen arguments the God would appear to peopel in whatever form the viewer believes. For Bethany & the Muse, it took on a female form friendlier/more compatriot to their perceptions. Had they not been there, God might have appeared as a male.
Happy now?
Feminist DOGMA, anyone?

Not really.
Bartleby, Loki, & Metranon were genderless. Angels would likely appear in whatever form required to do the job.
What's even more ratbastardly sickening is how most of the men killed were for reasons involving harming, but not even violently harming, women. *vomits* What kind of abhorrent gender feminist propaganda delusion is this self-hating fool Kevin Smith guy (who has ONE good movie to his name I might add, that being Clerks, maybe Clerks II) infected with?

While pushing your male pity party agenda, you do realize that was a spoof on the male-dominated film industry. Walt Disney, etc?
How many women have headed Disney over the decades?
How many women have headed up ABC, 20th Century Fox, Warner Brothers.......?
Get it now?
The hypocrisy of their putting out "family friendly" fare while being anything but the family types they are trying to sell their pap to.
Funny that ten years+ on justice department and FBI stats, Centers for Disease Control, the American Journal of Public Health, and many other reports, stats, and studies show women physically abuse and murder their children more

And who is with the little darlings the most?
Think they get on your nerves?
(and often get away with doing that, as well as murdering adults, as I'm sure you've all by now at least witnessed in the news more than a few times),

not near as much byt he stats I've seen.
[/quote] abuse their spouses and partners more, even female sex abusers are on the rise, females committing violence/assault is on the rise, women cheating on their men almost if not as much as men (despite recent sensationalist media spotlighting on celebrity male philanderers) tend to attract. I wonder if he could still get away with that kind of propaganda today. [/quote]
Yeah, poor baby.
Your 5 ft tall 100 lb girlfriend do that much damage to you?
Sad little boy.
Smitty seems to have a bad self-hating male streak and some extremely misguided ideas about men and women. This dungheap should be pelted, not with cigarettes (ha ha), but with rotten fruit for his self-defeating promotion of misandry and sexism towards men.

It's religious.
It's CATHOLIC religious.
A religion which is STILL refusing to allow women to be equal/priests.
Sorry. They've made their bed.
Well that's enough ranting for now. Any thoughts from men or women out there in IMDb land? And please, preferably not from gender/ideological feminist women or men, or men who aren't walked all over, self-hating chumps with no dignity or self-respect (which feminist agitprop movies like these more than likely contributed to making)?

Did you know originally God was a hermaphrodite?
Earliest Jewish scripture had all good coming from His wonderful, kind MALE side (as in the father proud of his son) & all evil came from Her violent, angry side (as in the mother punishing her child for no reason. Forget there is a Jewish proverb that one should punish one's child every day because the child knows what it is for).
Satan was originally a function, a job, like District Attorney who tested mankind's loyalty to God. Why do you think God has such a casual conversation with him in the story of Job? Don't you think if God's Great Enemy walked into His Presense, God would order Satan destroyed by any one of the hosts of angels likely surrounding God at the time? It was only after Jews were exposed to the Zoroastrian concept of an evil deity that Satan became evil. Satan is mentioned less than a dozen times in the Old Testiment (something like 6 I believe), yet over 300 times in the New Testiment. Because of Zoroastrians.
Lucifer, son of the Morning is the fricken King of Babylon. It says so in the scripture-that the person is to go speak this parable to the King of Babylo-Oh Lucifer, son of the Morning, etc.
The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[Isa. 14:12]meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".




We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. -Benjamin Franklin

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While pushing your male pity party agenda, you do realize that was a spoof on the male-dominated film industry. Walt Disney, etc?
How many women have headed Disney over the decades?
How many women have headed up ABC, 20th Century Fox, Warner Brothers.......?
Get it now?


I'm not pushing any male pity agenda. And the next line of BS you bring up in the above quote has already been addressed by me in an earlier post I made so I'm not gonna waste TOO MUCH time on it but I'll just add this:

Do you really think that men at the head and in the head offices of those corporations really says anything about the alleged prviilege and power of all the other everyday men in society? Do you think that this small minority of powerful men in high ranks at these companies, who were probably more than likely already born into upper middle/upper class families (*economic status and class is a far greater indicator of power/status than one's gender, please take note of this if of nothing else), somehow means that all men are in one big back-slapping boys club against women? If you even thnk that for a second then I seriously think you need your head examined--but hopefully not by a feminist indoctrinated psychiatrist.

Yeah, poor baby.
Your 5 ft tall 100 lb girlfriend do that much damage to you?
Sad little boy.


Sorry, but you're ignorant. Size is just one among many factors. A smaller woman can always pick up a variety of implements to use as a weapon and to make up for her smaller size. She hits you over the head with something like that and it can seriously injure or kill you. All the working out in the world would not build any more muscle or defence for your head, and men don't have thicker craniums than women on average. So there's no difference at all when it comes to smashing a hammer or a frying pan down on it, get it yet? They can also use element of surprise (like do somthing to a man in his sleep) or poison him, or hire a contract killer, etc. The domestic violence studies I alluded to all factored in these forms of violence and proxy violence and when they did it turned out women were MORE abusive. I'm a sad little boy? Pffff, you got a sad little brain, a brain which reduces all kinds of abuse and violence down to simply fisticuffs and who has the bigger biceps as if that's the end all and be all of it.

All the other junk you brought up in your post is just irrelevant and insignificant.

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I hear you and I'm totally against sexism in any form. Yes, I find it bit odd that the only woman in the boardroom is the only innocent one. Would prefer if: A) there was one more innocent man or B) at least one woman among the guilty. However, I cannot really accuse Smith of any sexism since he 'washed-out' both genders in his films. I mean, in his next film, Jay and Silent Bob strike back, main villains are women, one of whom becomes good, while 3 of her friends are presented as morally-absent bitches who use people for money. So, while this particular scene might seam sexist, Smith's whole film opus says to the contrary.


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I think someone might need a nap.

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I think someone might need a red pill.

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