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If you were the father of a son you'd brought along with you...


... on a very expensive journey to see wreck of the Titanic and the submersible you were in failed.

And you then discovered that the vessel had no means of escape and was incapable sending any distress signals.

And that the oxygen supply was very much finite and running out soon.

And that the CEO of the company who operated this vehicle and who had assured you of its safety was sat right beside you.

What would you do?

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The vehicle also can not be opened from inside, has no navigational control from within, has no homing beacon. The only means of control from inside was via text messaging, which failed to work before.

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Exactly.

And the guy who made this all possible is sat right beside you and your entombed nineteen year old son is sat right beside you...

How would you take this morally? Would you be angry with this guy or more philosophical and accept that you knew the risks (even although I suspect some of these tourists don't really believe them) before you signed up?

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Most of the people do this because of necessity, part of some jobs, they knew the risk, but this one seems to be tourism, some of the passengers probably had no idea what they were in for.

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I saw a video (think it was a previous tourist) of a guy signing the disclaimer and jokingly reading aloud the waiver re death on the trip.

So I think they must be at least surface aware of the risks but whether it really filters into their brains as a real possibility I don't know.

Maybe they just see it more as a post trip bragging thing, "Yeah, it was really dangerous on that trip, could have died..." rather than an actual possibility.

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It is possible. They likely signed away some liabilities to the company before the trip, likely told those were just the standard paperwork for this kind of things.

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Do you think they will make a movie about this incident? Maybe call it Titanic Sub?

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I would watch it only if it had a happy ending.

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If they knew what happened, if they found the wreckage and retrieved something akin to a black box, and pieced together what exactly happened, or at least have some ideas.

But I doubt these kind of underwater vehicles are regulated, and with all the safety precautions installed, which could hurt profit margins. Also the vehicle is likely never going to be recovered.

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The sharks probably ate part or most of that sub by now

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Let's hope it was the kraken got to them, so at least they saw something extraordinary before their demise.

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Now's not the time but in future, I guess.

In fact it wouldn't have to be this incident specifically but just having a film showing a limited number of people trapped in a similar scenario with oxygen running out could be quite moving.

I think the closest I've seen to this was an Episode of Enterprise with Trip and Malcolm trapped drifting in a powerless shuttle.

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but just having a film showing a limited number of people trapped in a similar scenario with oxygen running out could be quite moving.

I think the closest I've seen to this was an Episode of Enterprise with Trip and Malcolm trapped drifting in a powerless shuttle.


there is one I watched a few months ago on tv in the uk: Kursk: The Last Mission, aka The Command, about the Kursk submarine disaster back in 2000

weirdly enough, it was aired again on the saturday before this event

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One can only hope the sub ruptured on the way down and it was over in a second (as in The Abyss)

The alternative doesn't bear thinking about

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Agree on both points. Horrifying to ponder.

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If it was just me, I'd be philosophical and accept my death. The way I see it, the planet is 4.5 billion years old and we're only alive for a minuscule fraction of that time. We'll be dead for eternity one way or the other. A few "years" makes no difference really. If we truly die when our bodies do, there will be no consciousness to lament my passing, and if the soul survives our corporeal being, then my spirit will rejoice being freed of that confining sack of meat that I was trapped in for 65 years.

But as much as I understand all that, it would *torture* me that I was the cause of my son's death. I honestly don't know how I'd react if one of my sons was with me. Too horrible to think about.

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But as much as I understand all that, it would *torture* me that I was the cause of my son's death. I honestly don't know how I'd react if one of my sons was with me...

Yes, psychologically that's the intriguing thing about this situation.

Time is finite and as much as we may be able to rationalize away our own place among the cosmos, having your child, with their whole future ahead of them, at your side would be terrible.

Would you blame yourself or (maybe as self absolving human nature would dictate) would you turn to blame the guy who's vessel you're in and who is sat right beside you? That potentially is what has played out on this nightmarish voyage for one chap.

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Would you blame yourself or (maybe as self absolving human nature would dictate) would you turn to blame the guy who's vessel you're in and who is sat right beside you?


Excellent question and I don't mind telling you how absolutely disturbing it is for me to run this scenario through my mind in order to answer this.

I would absolutely blame myself first. No doubt. My son is there in that stupid sub because I'm there. Before I add to that (and there's more), let me tell you a story. When my oldest son was an infant, I was changing his diaper and he had a raging case of diaper rash. I know that fecal matter is full of bacteria and must be thoroughly cleaned from the rash area to effect healing or it just gets worse. To that end, I used the alcohol wipes and scrubbed the area to make sure it was clean. My infant son of course was screaming from the pain of having alcohol in an open wound and I teared up as I knew I was hurting him. I'm an agnostic on a good day and atheist most, but I said a prayer that morning for a deal with God that if I ever did something to cause serious harm or death to my son (intentional or otherwise), that God would immediately strike me dead instead. I told my wife of the deal so that if I ever fell over dead, it was to prevent me from harming our son (I think one of those "infant left in a hot car" things had recently been reported).

Now, being an engineer, I would probably blame the idiot who cheaped out and didn't put in some kind of homing beacon, or didn't have a back-up "game controller", a fresh set of AA batteries to run the stupid controller, or a way to eject the sub's ballast manually if there was a power or automation failure.

How I would react outwardly I don't know. It's not my nature to lash out either physically or verbally, so while I would place half of the blame on the sub's owner, I probably would realize there would be zero to gain making a scene and making our last minutes worse.

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It wouldn't take me long to realize that if one person on board died, the oxygen would last longer...

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Ha - Did consider that in a gallows humor way. You've got the guy who put you and your kid right there. If he goes, you've got an extra day of oxygen!

But then - what happens if you get discovered before the air runs out and they crack open the sealed container to discover some bodies in there? Do you get charged with murder in such a scenario?

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Aren't they all millionaires in international waters? Given the circumstances, they easily beat those charges in a courtroom, assuming it even got that far.

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Think we're dealing with theoreticals now - as it seems the sub actually imploded - but I'm not sure how that case would pan out.

There was an historical legal case where a captain and his crew ate the cabin boy lost at sea without provisions but then were rescued a few days later! They were found guilty if I recall correctly but had their death sentences commuted...

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Well, one has to consider exactly when the implosion occurred. It could be the vehicle malfunctioned and they were stuck for a while, and they ganged up on the CEO, maybe there was a gun on board. That ruptured the hull and caused the implosion.

Theoretically speaking of course.

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Apparently that viewport was only rated suitable up to 1,300m (about a third of the depth they were aiming at).

Maybe he chucked that games controller over to someone sitting on the toilet for a shot, they missed catching it and it hit the window. Next thing, they're all gone...

Also theoretically possible I suppose but I guess we'll never know the full truth.

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I'd probably die m8

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There's no way I'd even get on it. The sub looked so cramped and shitty (literally since the toilet was by the window).

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Imagine how much pain you'd be in sitting that cramped compartment for even one day. What an awful way to go.

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That toilet was ridiculous - You've paid $250k to peer through the tiny porthole, along with four other people, at the Titanic and there's a festival style portaloo right there as well! Come on...

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