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What An amazing different time where did we go wrong


Watching how these people in first class acted respectful towards one another classy elegant. Where has that gone in this world? People took honor in serving their country it was romantic going to battle being a hero.


Don't get me wrong there's a lot of negative with this period too sexism segregation both race and wealth wise. It just seems like to give fix the last two we are now a rude non chivalriest world

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Tuxes to dinner not being in a hurry engaging with people holding arms walking dresses for the women to dinner. Kids being respectful having manors no running around. Just seems insane to think people acted this way compared to now

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I'm sure the internet and the ability to communicate through vast distances behind the relative anonymity of a keyboard and screen have contributed to the decline in civilized discourse.

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Every child should have his or her own manor.

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Every child should have his or her own manor.


I'm sure that is what the parents of Adolph Hitler thought...

Look how that turned out.

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I'm sure that is what the parents of Adolph Hitler thought...

Look how that turned out.


In point of fact, Hitler was an abused child His father was violent and beat his mother (and young Adolf) viciously, once so severely that it wasn't believed Hitler would survive.

So material overindulgence was not a factor. It's an established pattern, however, that abused children tend to grow up to be bullies. It's not inevitable, but it's a common trajectory.

Here's one (of many) sources of information:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/aug/04/research.secondworldwar

And there's an interesting documentary on YouTube about Hitler's family:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORDjbpeY5rM

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It's a shame he did survive. How much different would the world have turned out if he died as a child and therefore the Holocaust would never have happened?

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It might have happened anyway. There were economic, social and politically forces in post-WW1 Germany that made my parent country ripe for something like Fascism, sadly.

Not that I would in any way mind Hitler having died an agonizing, prolonged, humiliating and very public death.

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I don't think it's insane at all. I think the loss of dignity, courtesy, self-respect and the collapse of the social contract is sad. What is insane is today's barbarism. It disengagement have to be this way.

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Not all The first class people were so classy. Some of them (Ruth and Cal) looked down upon the lower class passengers and treated them like crap.

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Watching how these people in first class acted respectful towards one another classy elegant. Where has that gone in this world?


That's a good question. The era in which the Titanic sailed was at the peak of European colonialism, as well as a time when nationalism and ultra-patriotism were flourishing in both Europe and America. Racism, sexism, and classism were all prevalent, and even the niceties of good manners and acting respectfully in so-called "polite society" was mainly seen as an act - hypocritical and false.

They showed the upper class passengers attending church services as well - something that may have also contributed to manners, courtesy, and how people generally related to each other back in those times. And some people started reacting against it, not necessarily against good manners, but against being stolid, uptight, stuck-up, and generally not any fun. Consider movies like Animal House where the lower-class cut-ups are rude, obnoxious, and wantonly defiant against the "polite" and "well-mannered" establishment.

If you can understand why people would thumb their nose at the likes of Greg Marmalard and Doug Niedermeyer, it might give some insight as to where all that respectful, first-class elegant has all gone.

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There's very little that's romantic about this era. Simply because people were "nice" to one another doesn't mean much. Avoiding drama isn't really telling how society truly is.

Many of these men whom owned all the power were polite because of business ties, political ties, fears of scandals, etc. and wouldn't be rude to one another in public, for fear it would easily come out in a period of "Yellow Journalism". But they were also power hungry, some ruthless, controlling and cruel to those beneath them.

With all do respect, I get the romanticizing of the era - all of us Titanic fans do it from time to time and I'm no less guilty. Yet it seems to me our society today which allows for clearer human expression is a much better time than one hundred years ago.

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they obviously hint at the underbelly of society back then when rose is showing jack all the people behind their backs. so its well known just like today but for some reason it just seemed like lack of a better word "more classy" back then compared to today.


you see many of the first class passengers playing around or running around or acting out? outside of rose that is. yes i get that this is taking place in a movie and on the titanic no less.


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Not sure which version you were watching, but I remember the first class people being just like people today, gossiping, thinking they are better than others and so forth.

Little Mikey Myers that lived across the street.

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I agree. Class and wealth are dividing the world now more than ever. It's the same old attitude..."Some people count, and some people don't".

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Guess I just mean it seemed people were more proper. Clothing was more elegant no one in a hurry.

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The thing is... with the liberties you all love so much, you're going to have people who don't perform like you want. That's liberty. We're not all going to choose to jump through hoops when there's no guarantee that good manners is actually going to pay out in the end. You want absolute freedom? You have to accept the bad with the good?

Today, there are many Roses looking at their men like Rose looks at Cal simply because the guy has a preference... not because he's a totally suffocating, controlling douchebag, but because HE WANTS something out of the marriage that she refuses to give. All of a sudden, our "free" society deems any man with a preference a patriarchal threat. So, yeah. I wish we could go back to a time (preferably the 1940s) when men and women honored, loved and respected each other equally. But that's not gonna happen.

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I wish we could go back to a time (preferably the 1940s) when men and women honored, loved and respected each other equally.
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yes, a great time for those more fortunate, but for those that weren't, it probably wasn't. People seemed to care about themselves it seemed though.

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Manners are dead. The cell phone is king. The social contract? People don’t know what that is.

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The cell phone is king.


That says it all. There may be many people who can use a smartphone and still be a decent human being, but I can assure you, there are many, many more who cannot. Good thing the phone is so smart, because it turns idiots into absolutely worthless morons who can't even look up and make eye contact.

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Great minds think alike, Charley. Why have manners and other social graces, when you can have technology? Sadly, the technology does not scold it’s owner when the owner is being rude or some other kind of oafish behavior. Imagine the sea change when and if Siri bellows, “Hey! You’re driving a car! Stop using me, and start watching the road!” Followed, ideally, with the iPhone administering a sharp shock.

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I'd rather them have a shock than a wreck. Using them while driving should be where it crosses the line for everyone, but unfortunately it isn't. I'm afraid they may turn out to be one of the more detrimental inventions ever, in the short term, like driving while using them, but also in the long term with human communication. The irony of that isn't lost on me. I would just hate to see face to face communication lose all of its value in society. Of course, those who think AI is just the next step in human evolution would probably think we are right on schedule.

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