I hate Rose
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I'd rather be his whore than your wife
shareI thought it was weird that Cameron wrote up her character as remarrying and having children only to abandon the memory of her husband in favor of her short-lived fling with Jack in her final moments of life. Talk about selfish.
shareAs far as we know, it could have been a bad marriage.
The truth is that we don't know anyhing about Rose's husband, so we shouldn't judge her like that.
And also, Jack is whom the audience wanted to see in that scene.
It wouldn't have made sense to have Rose meet her husband (who had no role in the story) instead.
some people have a few great loves in their life.
she hadn't thought about Jack or told anyone that entire time (so we know)
and now she was reliving every moment in detail hours before dying. its clear it would have brought back a flood of feelings and emotions. but I see what you mean when she dies she goes with jack not her husband.. Yaaa that was 100% cinematic appeal.
idk maybe it was her first true real love.
I could honestly never imagine anyone after my wife, but I believe that if I ever remarried because my wife preceded me, it would be my current wife that would meet me there to take me to the other side.
Jack was dead - no sense not living a life after especially being a teenager when Jack died. But even if she was a good wife to the man she married, she may never have gotten over Jack.
The scenario that works for me is that she was dreaming at the end (then passing). We don't control our dreams and they often are populated with items that have occupied our mind on the same day. Since she had just finished telling the story of Jack, Titanic, and all the rest, that's where her mind took her -- to what would have been the dream scenario back in the day.
She had remained grateful for what Jack did for her the duration of her life and "never let go" of that memory. So it works for me.
Now, some read the ending as her appearance in the afterlife and hooking up with Jack. That doesn't work for me for several reasons. But to each their own.
She definitely has her moments of being annoying and stubborn (both as a teenager and old lady).
But she did have a turning point. Jack bought out the best in her. Mind you, she was clearly miserable and unhappy about being controlled and underestimated over the simple fact of being a woman and rich woman.
I just think the story would have been better and even sadder that she never married, but still give her the biography of being an independent and successful woman who achieved more than many. Her love for Jack was so strong she could never give her heart to anyone else. Instead, they wrote in a throwaway husband mentioned in passing and even the way she mentions him it sounded like he was nothing more than a custodial presence in her life. Just my two cents.
shareagreed thats a far better version of her/the story.
forever stubborn and never remarried, partly from not wanting to get trapped by a man like Cal again, partly as you said never being able to feel Gian what she had with Jack
I wouldn't say I hated her. But think poorly of her? Absolutely. I always thought throwing away that priceless diamond was a pretty shabby thing to do to her granddaughter. "Thanks for taking care of me so well in my old age Lizzy, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I could however have shown it by selling this massive diamond at auction and provided you with financial security for the rest of your life. But... Nah."
Very classy.
And too, if Rose hadn't been so pigheaded, she would have stayed in the damned lifeboat she got a seat in, and Jack could have actually climbed up onto that floating piece of debris he found, and not died of hypothermia.
I always thought throwing away that priceless diamond was a pretty shabby thing to do to her granddaughter. "Thanks for taking care of me so well in my old age Lizzy, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
I can understand why she did it (for closure), after telling her story and stirring up memories.
But don't forget, the INSURANCE company "paid" off on the "loss" of the diamond, so technically, they OWNED it. It wasn't old Rose's to do what she wanted with it. If she tried to sell it, she could have been charged with insurance fraud (serious crime) -- even though that wasn't her intention.
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How would they have charged her with insurance fraud? Cal was the one who later filed the claim, and she never spoke to him again after the Titanic sank. In fact she left him thinking she was dead. You'd never be able to demonstrate to the satisfaction of any court that she had a thing to do with making the insurance claim or had any intent to defraud anyone.
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Cal filed the claim fully believing that the diamond was lost when Rose was, so his claim was legitimate.
Rose however had the diamond and correctly guessed (when asked) who it was who filed the insurance claim after the Titanic sank. Even if she hadn't realized it before she boarded the Keldysh, she knew it when Brock explained about the insurance payout. At that point, an educated woman like Rose would have known the insurance company had a claim if not outright ownership of the diamond.
Still wouldn't get her for any kind of fraud. Worst case, she has to give up the diamond to the insurance company, assuming it even still exists after the better part of a century, I don't think they ever say who insured the diamond. If the insurance company is no more, back to the original scenario, and she gets to sell a rock that, IIRC, was said to be worth more than the Hope diamond. Even if the insurance company was still extant, and wanted the diamond, likely they'd agree to pay out a (comparatively) small stipend by way of reward.
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It's even more complicated than that.
Hockley claimed (as far as he knew) that the diamond went down with the ship. The insurance company paid off the claims and they are considered abandoned by maritime law. If Brock found it, he most likely would take complete ownership of it.
But since the diamond claim was paid off and the diamond did not go down with the ship, it was not part of the abandoned shipwreck by maritime law.
At the point Rose boards Keldysh, she learns from Brock that an insurance company paid off the diamond. It belongs at this point to the insurance company. If she tried to keep it, the insurance company would sue her for it or go after whoever she sold it to. Would they actually charge the old bat for anything? Unlikely given her age and her being a survivor of the Titanic sinking.
But if she was found with the diamond and then pitched it into the ocean where it was never recovered, she would be criminally liable for the loss even if she's ultimately not charged.
I'm no lawyer, but the law is strange and not always fair.
Just saying that the claim was paid, so the ins. co would have some claim on the diamond.
Rose KNEW where the diamond came from and that it was thought to be lost in the wreck. It's not as if she found it on the street.
Based on what she knew, selling the diamond would be at least questioned -- or a questionable act.
She’s beautiful and intelligent and independent and Kate Winslet at her peek. Angelic beauty.
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