Racism in Hollywood


Interesting that this film was released 8 YEARS ago, and yet it's still one of the only Hollywood films I've seen featuring a love story between a black male and a white female. Quite often you will see the reverse (white male and black female...for instance in The Bodyguard, Monster's Ball etc) but Hollywood still seems scared to admit that a white woman might be attracted to or...horror of horrors!!....have sex with a black guy. Yet it's hardly uncommon these days! Even big actors such as Will Smith invariably get cast opposite black females as if it's the law. Apparently it even happens in the future (see the Matrix sequels)!!

I wonder when this will change? I'd be grateful if anyone could name any other films with black males and white females, esp. any big Hollywood ones as I'm racking my brains here! Thanks!

Oh, and by the way...how come none of the men I've had one night stands with have fallen in love with me?! Mind you...none of them ever looked like Wesley Snipes either unfortunately!

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Hey Karen, I thought you may find the following bit of trivia interesting. I was reading an interview with Wesley Snipes from back when this movie was being promoted. Ming-Na's character (as his wife) was originally supposed to be a BLACK woman, but Snipes felt that it would upset Black women to see his character leave a Black woman for a caucasian. Instead, he suggested that his "wife" should be Asian. Ironically (or not), his 'real-life' wife is Korean.

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Karen, I can't answer for why your one night stands aren't yielding grand romances - except that in a way, the question answers itself - if you think of them as "one night stands", well....

Nor can I think of any other movie in which there is a black actor and white actress in a romance. This movie is remarkable that way - and I agree that it's very strange that this is so, given that the vast majority of inter-racial white-black romances in the U.S. are black men and white women rather than white men and black women.

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1) Beautiful and sweet blond white skin Katharine Houghton´s character falls in love with elegant and strong-minded African-American Sidney Poitier´s character in 1957 ¨Guess who´s comming for dinner.¨ A controversial movie that brings the issue of racism in two homes when the young couple meet and fall in love -- practically at first sight-- and announce to their parents that they are getting married. The scenario is not so realistic, though, e.g. Sidney Poitier´s portrayal of a well-accomplished and highly-educated professional, and Katharine Houghton irradiation of warmth, charm, innocence. However, the movie is a true gem. The dialogue is inspiring and it makes you reflect. I am sure that it has been of great influence to parents of inter-racial or inter-religion couples who wish to make the marriage vows.

2) Another movie in which you have a white skin female character falling in love with an African-American male character is 1965 ¨A Patch of Blue,¨ a gem of a movie. Here, blonde, beautiful, sweet and innocent 18 yrs old Elizabeth Hartman, falls in love with older, well-educated and always handsome and elegant, Sidney Poitier. This time there is a remarkable difference, though. Elizabeth Hartman is blind and does not know that her new friend, with whom she is starting to fall in love, is a Negro. Elizabeth´s mother, portrayed by Shirley Winters, does not accept her daughter´s new relationship and tries to put an end to it.
On a different but interesting note, I am sure you will be interested to know that Elizabeth Hartman committed suicide at 44 yrs of age. Perhaps, had she had had a true caring companion in real life, as she did in this movie -- regardless of race and religion-- she would have been able to overcome the difficulties that led her to terminate her life. I am sure that any parent would prefer to have their children bonded in an inter-racial or inter-religion marriage, than dead.
This movie, as well as ¨Guess Who is Coming for Dinner¨, makes you reflect over what really matters in life. Hope everyone sees these movies and please let me know how you like them. They always show on TCM and they can be requested.

PS: I recommend you watch the trailer of both movies available in IMDB.

3) Another movie in which a white woman falls in love with a black man, and this is a contemporary movie from 2001, is SAVE THE LAST DANCE, with Julia Stiles and Sean Patrick Thomas. The good acting of the leading characters and the good script grasped my attention when I recently started watching it on TNT without knowing anything about it. It will show on TNT on Jan 7th 2007. Check it out http://www.tnt.tv/title/?oid=343696


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It seems to me that there's more black male-white female movies than white male-black-female. Just look at Pulp Fiction, O, Jungle Fever, the Royal Tenenbaums, Kissing Jessica Stein, Save the Last Dance, Bad Company (1995), Cruel Intentions, Thirteen, Pieces of April, Far From Heaven, or Sammy and Rosie Get Laid.


"Hollywood still seems scared to admit that a white woman might be attracted to or...horror of horrors!!....have sex with a black guy"

Are you freakin kidding me? The whole idea of Jungle Fever was that black men are viewed as the pinnacle of male sex appeal.






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E, those movies have not come as deep like One Night Stand. There was less passion in those flicks you had mentioned. As a Black man I know.

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I have to agree with Eraser. There seems to be a collective aneminsa going on right now in regards to black men pairing up with white women or other non-black women on screen.

The black women with white men is a new trend that has really taken off since 2000. Before that, I use to see the reverse on film. I also don't know why people are ignoring the rise of black men with other women of color (I guess they don't count as much as white women) you see on hit television shows.

I agree Hollywood does not like to see black men with white women. Asian men have it worse than black men in Hollywood. You barely see them being portrayed as sexual beings, much less in interracial pairings. I also think people want to see black men with hot looking white women. I guess in 2004, they didn't consider Cythnia Nixon's and Blair Underwood's graphic sex scenes in Sex and the City worth counting.

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Jazine,unfortunatly the Cynthia Nixon charater did not have a long relationship with the Blair Underwood character in SATC. In the first season of that show Samantha had a brief fling with a Black man who turned chicken when his sister found out. On British tv however,it was almost normal in showing BM/WW relationsips.

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You're right, soulthinker. It didn't last , but at least the characters did have a real relationship. It wasn't jungle fever, which was a nice for a change.

I was just making a point there has been BM/WW pairings. People want to act as if it has never existed since Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, and that WM/BW has been shown for decades on screen, when really the trend just started picking up less than ten years ago.

When I was in England staying with relatives, I did see quite a few interracial pairings on screen. Gasp! Even black men and white women together. :)

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IN britsh tv...the idea of interacial dating doesn't really seems to bother the masses that is true (doctor who 1995 version), the night detective (in it a black police officer was either married or dating a white woman) etc. But here in the U.S. no matter what you think or hear the idea of interacial relationship doesn't stick or fly (its the same in bollywood as well..very much you do see alot of white men taking up along side the actors there)...and when is so happens its in variations of the typical....Asian woman/white man, East indian woman/White man...normally when you see a asian woman with a black man...its a very short lived episode...example "ER" (which is a show i'm really hating on right now) you can obviously say that Ming na's charactor and Mikhai phiffer's character was kinda hitting it off until her last role on teh show with her father then they jsut didn't happen anymore, maybe the writters written her off maybe they felt that they didn't want to see that...who knows all i know is that the writters didn't like it and they cast her off the show...

Another example from that show is Neela and micheal gallant's characters....the writers i'm sure wanted that relationship to come together and honestly i thought they made a good and spicy couple...until the writters killed his character off and made it seem like it was just a fling between those two and brought John stamos character in and it just became another typical example of bad writers and bad timing in the business of media; Let's face it racism in hollywood DOES exist whether you believe it or not...I think a movie like "mississippi masala", "Guess who's coming to dinner" was a pretty good example of a strong balanced interacial relationship that not only spiced up but changed the way movies worked and made people actually THINK of the possiblities but i think hollywood is still not ready to face the fact of attraction from different races and vice versa....i mean i'm sure there are some east indian woman attracted to black men(even though in reality i very rarely see that)...and i'm sure there are some asian, german, britsh woman attracted to black men as well but you also have to remember its hollywood even though in reality it DOES happen they don't always go by reality they go by what is the norm for them...and ergo, art imitates life and that's a sad fact...

but my curious is peeked...does ming na likes black men...cause i've heard she has dated a couple herself. LOL

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what the heck is "aneminsa"?

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I don't remember any black/white relationships in the films...Pulp Fiction or Cruel Intentions. None where the characters actually kiss one another anyway.

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Pulp Fiction: Ving Rhames and Uma Thurman
Cruel Intentions: Sean Patrick Thomas and Selma Blair



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Pulp Fiction: Ving Rhames and Uma Thurman
Cruel Intentions: Sean Patrick Thomas and Selma Blair


^^This.

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Don't forget Mandingo....classic!

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Ooops on point # 2 (IrmaMSQ's post) Elisabeth's Hartman's character did know that Sidney Poiter's character was a black. She tells him so in his apartment in the closing scene before she goes to the school for the blind.

I liked both movies too.

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A notable exclusion in this string is "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" (1967) with (again) Sidney Poitier being the male love interest of a white woman (Katharine Houghton).

IMDB Plot Outline: Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn play a couple whose attitudes are challenged when their daughter brings home a fiance who is black.

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Wasn't excluded, Irma mentioned it earlier.



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to Eraser47, you mentioned Pulp Fiction as a black man/white woman movie, but it actually had it both ways. There was a white man/black women couple in there, too. And while you're on Tarrantino, what about Jackie Brown which also had both black man/white woman and white man/black woman.

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Karen you had hit it on the head!!! You can count with your fingers the deaph of the passion of Black men and White women compares to White men and Black women. Take for example Monster's Ball there would be less likely there would be that sex scene if the races were reversed. Check out Valentines Day aka The Protector starring Mario Van Peebles.

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I think you do got a point Hollywood is afraid..of white women/black men together..I think it scares some white men.....to see their women with black males...But I do think we need to see more of these romances..on film...

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I once saw an interesting movie, but unfortunately I forgot the title (anyone is free to tell me).
It was about a city (probably New York) that was completely deserted after some sort of disaster, except for one black male. He eventually finds a white woman in the city and they develop a relationship. However ,later a male white sailor approaches them, and tensions grew, as the black male now feels he has served his purpose and the other guy is taking over.

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"to Eraser47, you mentioned Pulp Fiction as a black man/white woman movie, but it actually had it both ways. There was a white man/black women couple in there, too"

There was? Who, the Tarantino character? Can that really be proven? If so, it was probably just an excuse for him to say "n igger" justifiably.




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I believe you're talking about The World, the Flesh, and the Devil (1959) with Harry Belafonte, Inger Stevens, and Mel Ferrer. There's some clamor for a DVD release for it, as it is currently unavailable.

I saw it long ago (the 70's) but would like to see it again.

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Thanks, it is almost certainly that film. I feel so dumb I stopped watching back then.

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The movie you mention is The Quiet Earth (1985)(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/).
I thought it was a real snorer....

American flicks are saturated with BM/WW hook-ups, but yes, it IS RARE you see a film where they show a strong loving relationship or that the story is actually about those people, instead of just giving viewers a voyueristic sex scene.

Island in the Sun (1957) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050549/) addresses interracial romance as one of it's themes (not the main plot). The WM/BW couple manages to escape from the island and live in Canada, but the BM/WW couple is only shown as an attraction that is never consummated (conveniently) due to the man's political ambitions and the scandal it would cause.




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there are more BM/WW relashionships on screen but it doesn't have the same depth of lets say monster's ball or "something new".the new trend is BW/WM now.but interacial couples ingeneral should be shown more.

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I've noticed this Wesley Snipes does movies with women of other races. anyways, here are some interracial movies that ive know of and seen:-
1) Money Train -- Wesley Snipes and Jennifer Lopez (even though she isnt White..)
2) Jungle Fever-- Wesley Snipes and some other blonde lady
3) One Night Stand-- Snipes and Ming ...
4) Marci X-- Lisa Kudrow and Damon Waynes
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I dont see what you are complaining about... Black men are depicted as masculine sexual beings who please any woman.. esp if they are white. How about a movie where a white woman romances an Asian man.. Not too many of them.. Plenty of movies with non asian being in relations with asian women.. This movie being one of them. Still "the lover" was an exception to that rule. But the above is a Hollywood stereotype. By the way I am not against inter racial relationships OR having black actors either. But what I say is truth.. Asian women are often depicted as either overly sexual or bitchly uptight characters.

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I'm so sick of people who even bring up race. Screw all of you. I'm racist, sexist, ageist, xenophobic and just an unpleasant guy - and I was MADE that way by having the gay agenda shoved at me relentlessly.

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Gays and multi-racialists make me sick.

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Well the huge majority of interracial relationships are Asian women and white men. And those are huge in the US. When you go to like UK,France,etc for example you see it different.




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I dont see what you are complaining about... Black men are depicted as masculine sexual beings who please any woman.. esp if they are white.


See, that I can't agree with, at least not entirely. To be honest, pretty much any leading man in any major film is going to please the woman he's with. Have they ever shown James Bond to not please a woman he was with? Heading South might be the only recent exception, but that was a French film so it doesn't count

Hollywood seems more prone to produce a film where a black man appears as gay, asexual, or in a fat suit and makes a fool out of himself than to make a deeply romantic film with a black male lead regardless of what color the other woman is.

Hancock will be out pretty soon, and when I saw that Charlize Theron was in it I said to myself "well, there's no Eva Mendes in this so Will Smith won't be gettin' any". Denzel and Smith are the two biggest black male Hollywood stars and they hardly ever get the girl, unless she's Eva Mendes. Whereas actors like Kevin James and even Philip Seymour Hoffman (who I think is a great actor) regularly get to play characters that have onscreen relationships with attractive women and even get to do graphic love scenes from time to time (ie Before The Devil Knows You're Dead).

I remember when I listened to the DVD commentary to The Day After Tomorrow where they pointed out a very brief scene where a man (black) kisses his wife (white) goodbye and how the studio kept asking if that scene really needed to be in and if the producers would take it out. And the angle is so weird I hadn't even noticed it the first time I saw, so it just goes to show how even the slightest hint of such a relationship still turns people (studio execs at least) off.

And I know this post is long, but just to go back to Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, I think it's hysterical how in the original film they made a point to mention the couple didn't have sex (even though she wanted to, because black men turn down sex from white women all the time in movies) but in the remake where the races were reversed that wasn't the case.

How about a movie where a white woman romances an Asian man.. Not too many of them.


I saw a film not too long ago called Shanghai Kiss (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469184/) which I enjoyed.

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