Why did Del Toro disown this movie?
It says he did in the trivia section, but does anyone know why?
shareIt says he did in the trivia section, but does anyone know why?
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And I'm sure you're much better.
Please refrain from posting again. Thanks.
"Yes.... because he is a self loving, arrogant, snobbish excuse for a human being."
Or...because he's an extremely talented filmmaker that doesn't like it when movie producers fitting the description that you just gave tamper with his vision.
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He is actually a really nice guy. I was with my kids in Hollywood for a day trip last year and he was sitting in a cafe by himself. I told my kids who he was (the director of hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth to them). I told them not to bother him but they kept looking, it was pretty difficult not to notice that the were looking. he finished up and paid and made his way to the exit, just before he left he came over to the table and said to my 7 year old son that he looked like he could beat up hellboy and that my daughter was more beautiful than Ophelia. I asked for an autograph and he said he would go one better and send me some signed things. a copule of months later after we thought he had forgotten, a big parcel of things arrived in the post. Now we live in Scotland so I shudder to think what the postage costs must've been. This is a man who loves his fans dearly.
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I know you posted this years ago, but that story is awesome.
shareNice story man, thanks for sharing!
People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs
That is a great story--and not a surprise at all for del Toro!! I have met him as well and since that day I have always said that he is the kind of person you wish ALL celebrities were like. So many times I have met icons who turned out to just be complete a-holes and it is such a disappointment. This guy is the epitome of good nature and genuine friendliness and warmth and he is so kind to his fans!
Thanks for sharing your experience!!
Dick, I am VERY disappointed.
That was a very nice story bryanross1985 up to the point that it is unbelievable how nice he was to you and your children.
English is not my native language.
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Actually Shab, I've met Gulliermo Del Toro at a Q&A for Pan's Labyrinth, and he is intelligent, witty, and yet humble and extremely polite and loving to his fans. He cares about his films and fans more than he does about himself, and he happens to be one of my favorite directors.
I'm sure that in all your run-ins with Mr. Del Toro you've pieced together your rude and profoundly incorrect opinion, other than that, keep your secondhand opinion to yourself please.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
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Or perhaps because he's dissatisfied with the final product and instead of going the George Lucas route with revisionist history or boasting about his films when he feels differently
Lucas route with revisionist history or boasting about his films when he feels differently
It's great how you can read a person like that at a Q&A. Amazing gift!
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All that we see or seem. Is it but a dream within a dream?
LOL Well, see that's the thing about opinions...they are neither wrong nor right.
I am the American nightmare.
Thats not quite true. If you have no first hand experience or factual basis for your opinion then it is wrong.
"I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."
Although I like Guillermo's work your not quite correct in your assumption.
Example: I see my neighbor building his garage, and although I know nothing about construction, I think it looks flimsy and weak and give my opinion that it will collapse. The next day it collapses. I was correct in my opinion in spite of knowing nothing about construction. Of course, the opposite could be true too but this illustrates that an opinion may not be based on experience or factual basis and still be correct.
Like I said before I like Guillermo's work and am not trying to pick a fight.
Uh, since when are opinions neither wrong nor right? There is a qualitative difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed opinion, for one thing.
shareshab872-1 sounds like an arrogant piece of crap , Del Toro should have slapped him around a bit.
share"Yes.... because he is a self loving, arrogant, snobbish excuse for a human being." Actually he is one of the nicest, most humble guys directing today.
"Ground Control to Major Tom"
and you think this because...?
shareyour response says an awful lot about yourself
sharedel toro had a tottally different movie in mind but as he said miramax tore it to shreds as most of em do
shareGuillermo has NEVER disowned this film - it's just the film that we see now is not the film he had intended for release, and it was hacked to bits by Miramax. There is still a LOT about the film he loves, and there is a petition to have the film released on a 2-disc DVD as a special edition, with as much of it in its original Del Toro form as possible, with loads of extras.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/MIMIC/
I think it would be well worth it.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com
My memory is a bit vague as to details, but I did read the shooting script when the thing was in production, and I do recall that the original ending was rather bleak and intentionally ambiguous. In the end the protagonists emerge from their trials in the underworld to be confronted by the usual assortment of what appear to be (but may very well not be) men in trenchcoats on a train platform. The movie was shot from beginning to end in Toronto. The Weinsteins didn't like the reactions of clueless test audiences and decided a more definitive ending with a lot of fireworks would be a better sell. So the last several minutes were rewritten and shot on a rented Paramount lot in Hollywood.
I never saw the rushes for the original ending, and for all I know it was destroyed. If it survives, I would very much like to see it. It would be a nice touch to a special director's edition.
This is what GdT had to say on MIMIC a few months ago (February 2006)
http://www.deltorofilms.com/GDTonMimic.php
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com
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I just gave MIMIC another look, my first since seeing it theatrically, and I liked it quite a bit upon reevaluation - more than it's reputation at least. I agree with all of GDT's assertions in the interview linked above and I agree that there's a lot to be admired in it, but it's hampered by some very boring cliched moments and in most places lacks a good flow - a problem not necessarily unique to this movie, HELLBOY suffered from similar pacing hiccups. The middle of the movie, though, where all of the separate parallel threads advance everything, is marvelously structured as a whole and does well to create a lot of tension and atmosphere - it's just that some of the individual scenes are weak, rushed and characters given insufficient or hackneyed build-up. For all of it's more fearless or daring elements (two cardinal mainstream sins - killing animals and children - are committed in the course of one scene) there's also a lot of cheery compromise. But for all it's faults it's still one of the more interesting horrr efforts of the mid-90s, but that's not saying much. Del Toro's style and heart shine through a lot of the flick, and I wish he would get an opportunity to make both the horror and his signature fairy tale moments and aesthetics as pronounced as he originally envisioned them. John Sayles apparently did rewrites on this -- were those sanctioned by Del Toro or were they responsible for some of the post reshoots?
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Is it just me or did Miramaz/Dimension Films have that bad of a reputation of messing with horror films ? Look at the following: Hellraiser: Bloodline, Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers & Mimic. All 3 were filmed to the director's liking until heavy influence from the head office caused them to be totally diswoned & hated by folks who have found the original version that much better. Maybe, with Del Toro winning Oscars for Pan's Labyrinth, Mimic may be the start of Dimension seriously re-releasing these butchered films to the way it should have been released.
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Apparently he didn't disown the movie, but, given what Miramax did to it, DelToro is a little miffed by the hacked up version. Unfortunately, not having seen the original delToro vision of it, I have to say this movie pretty much stinks. Despite the supposedly "smart" aspects, the movie is full of holes and reeks of studio interference. DelToro's work on the film is quite fine, but the script, story, and some of the acting are just plain rotten. Don't bother until DelToro releases his "director's cut." Even then, it would take a LOT to get me to see it again. PAN'S LABYRINTH and THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE are his finest work. Even the weaker CRONOS is better than MIMIC.
shareThey don't call Harvey Weinstein 'Harvey Scissorhands' for nothing.
"Didn't Roman Polanski just win an Oscar?"
There is a fascinating book that covers the subject called 'Down and Dirty Pictures' which covers the story of Miramax and also Sundance.
If I'm remembering correctly (it is a very long book with a lot of stories taking a similar path), Del Toro had a totally different movie in mind and as usual Harvey not only turned up on set, but was repeatedly badgering Del Toro about changing a lot of what was going on in the movie.
Del Toro was obviously upest but was warned not to let the stars know about the problems, however Mira found out about what was going on and got Miramax Golden Boy Tarantino (who she was dating at the time) to use his sway with Harvey and basically get him to back off Del Toro.
Another thing that comes through from the book is that on a lot of occasions even if the director has final cut of a movie Harvey would still get his way by saying 'If you don't do what I want I will bury your movie'.
I recommend the book if you aren't put off by its thickness, it's astounding how different so many movies were intended to turn out before Harvey got his hands on them.
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There is only one person the Weinsteins have never f ucked with and that's tarantino and i think that's about to change cause of grindhouse.
Good Omens, Defective Detective, Dr. Parnassus, Don Quixote...please make these Terry!
I don't disagree with you, but I'm sure the Weinsteins would see it differently. I've no doubt they think that they are responsible for whatever success these movies they messed with finally achieved.
It's one of those hindsight things though, eh ? We'll never know for sure what Mimic (and those other movies) might have been like.
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I REALLY, REALLY DO.
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The Weinsteins are a contrary bunch. As a rule, they never touched Miramax product (this was always the output for their worthy, Oscar-nod material), but always hacked away at the Dimension stuff (the 'popcorn' side of their business), and just whittled the movies down to the basic 'make it as simple as possible and make a buck, and it'll fund the Miramax stuff'. The list of butchered films are endless; The Crow series, Faculty (the only Rodriguez movie he has never lent behind-the-scenes info on), Cursed, Impostor, Dracula 2000, Mimic... the list is endless. It does seem that Harvey in particular has no love for the genre.
"If i wanted your opinion, I'd have beaten it out of you"
It's so effing annoying it makes me want to kick Harvey's ass. He should stop interfering with things he doesn't understand.
You're useless, Harvey. Get over it.
It seems hard to believe that Miramax could be totally responsible for this being the cliched, predictable, uninspiring mess that it is. The only thing going for it is that the cinematography is more imaginative than what usually comes out of Hollywood. But then, outfits like Miramax are supposed to be there to give us content that mainstream Hollywood can't or won't. Not too surprising, really, that it should get corrupted along the way.
shareGuillermo Del Toro will finally give his personal account of what happened during the tortured Mimic shoot, in his first ever biography tapped for release in 2010/2011.
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/del-toro-discusses-mimic-ordeal-for-first-time?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news
I'm watching it now for the nth time. It still makes me hold my breath in places and jump in others. There's enough Del Toro in it to shine through. I really wish a Director's Cut were possible, but it doesn't sound like it's very likely.
shareCheapskate Weinsteins using Toronto ( very very low budget ) as a very poor substitute for the great NYC. Real NYers know this for a fact. This is why Del Toro disowned this piece of crap of a movie.
shareOh please, it's got all the usual crappy del Toro elements:
self-conscious production design
kids in danger
catholicism
What is a self-conscious production design?
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