Compared to Al Pacino version?
How good is this film in comparison to the American Robin Williams/Al Pacino version? I've heard its much darker, but is it any better/worse?
shareHow good is this film in comparison to the American Robin Williams/Al Pacino version? I've heard its much darker, but is it any better/worse?
shareBoth versions are very good. I would say this version is better simply because the style of directing used in this suites Skarsgard's performance a little better than the style fit pacino's performance in the remake.
Does anybody know how to pronounce the director's name?
Nope, sorry! Anybody know where I could get hold of this version (UK)?
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Cheap (£8) and relable :-) American version cost £9
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shareSh-all-berjhh I think.
I thought this version was better. I agree with the person that said it was darker, seemed much more corrupt and lingering. Plus the gun fight at the end of the hollywood version was a bit unnecessary. With this ending I was happy, but felt unsettled feeling happy.
Don’t try to pronounce Norwegian, when speaking particular vowels there is no English sound that matches it. The same goes for consonants; they can be left out or simply pronounced differently, they must have skipped Scandinavia introducing logic in written language.
But about both movies: I think they are so different in almost every aspect that you can’t compare them. Maybe you can better start by asking yourself what the similarities are and these are mainly the rough storyline (for about 50%) and the environment to some extend. All the characters are shaped completely different in appearance and behaviour. While the American version is all pretty plain and clearly visualized the Norwegian version tends to be more focused on your own participation, there are lots of silent shots of the main character’s face trying to comprehend the situation, that may seem slow but it urges you to think along.
So the overall feeling is that you can’t get a grip on the Norwegian persons for their character is build mainly visually, not by their words so I can understand why some call that ‘dark’, it is the way most European movies are made. In American movies there’s always a lot of talking and a lot of things happening mainly because the producer wants that, people will get bored watching static shots, they think, so at least they put in a narrator or some music or some moving background, etc. Every American movie has to be an adventure so to say, and that is not the European way, maybe I should restrict that to Europe without the Mediterranean countries that often suffer from dialogue-overdose. These are of course culturally defined differences and this is not the place to discuss those in detail.
That about answers the question, if you mainly like the American way you’ll probably skip the Norwegian, if you like the European way you can enjoy both (conclusion: are Europeans perhaps more open-minded? Hmmm)
I think they can be compared, but I don't know how great the comparison is. I would say that both films are equal. Nolan's version improved a few areas where this one was weak, and the original was stronger in some areas where Nolan's was weak. Overall, both very good films.
shareI think I like the character work in the Norwegian version more. The Pacino version has that whole Internal Affairs plotline that - on balance - seems to be pretty standard fare and it adds a somewhat contrived element of tension between him and his partner. And, the ending of the American version seems to take the easy way out with Pacino's character.
On the other hand, the visuals in the American version are stunning and the ones in the Norwegian version a bit disappointing. Nolan does terrific things with a camera.
They're both excellent movies, but I still think that the Norwegian is superior to the American. The American version has a more flamboyant, action-set ending than the Norwegian... it's good, but it's not as good as the more psychological one in the US version.
Al Pacino might be cooler than Skarsgård, but Robin Williams isn't as much a psycho as Bjørn Floberg!
i liked the version a little more more cause i like skarsgard a lot but the remake isn't bad.
shareQuote; Does anybody know how to pronounce the director's name?
I'm Norwegian, and even I'm having problems pronouncing his name... ;o) Don't know how I should write it, but since you're not Scandinavian (I guess) you'll have to start by replacing the "æ" in Skjoldbjærg with an o. If I should say his name to an English guy, I would say something like 'skiold-bjorg'. If you translate his name to English it would be something like: shield-mountain. He, he.
Hope this helped some...
i believe it's pronounced Eric... :)
Seriously, using Anglic spelling, Skjoldbjaerg would be pronounced something like "Sholdbyair" but the "y" sound would be very short, like blair but with a y instead of an l. The g sound at the end is sometimes reduced to a light, almost silent fricative sound, judging by the Norwegians I have spoken to. i am sure there are regional variations.
I haven't seen the U.S. version, but I find Pacino rather annoying lately, chewing up the scenery and overdoing it. (Yeah, blasphemy but oh, well)
To me it's much more believable that this guy would quietly go mad and keep it under wraps, and even in the end I liked it much better that he was rather passive in the outcome. A major gun battle or whatever would just be too much. Of course, that ending might fit better with a Pacino gnaw-fest whereas Stellan's performance is so tense and controlled you can't imagine the character would just engage in a shoot out.
Maybe someday I'll see the American version, but frankly I enjoyed the more tightly wound, less overwhelming personalities and can't imagine enjoying this same story with the broadness of Pacino with his googly eyes or the wierdness of Robin Williams when he plays madmen.
This Holt's not particularly mad, all the more frightening that he's so close to "normal" but can still do what he did.
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Let's say critics rate is 3.5 and Al Pacino version is 3.
Audience rate is higher for Pacino version though:
http://www.movie-remakes.com/film_detail.asp?id=66
Movie remakes compared to original
http://www.movie-remakes.com
The ratings on IMDB (today) is 7.3 for original and 7.2 for the remake. Even US users rate the original higher, and its rated higher among the regular voters.
shareWow, a a whole 1/10 of a point higher with significantly less votes. Great logic there genius.
This might be my version of trivial pursuit, but have you ever noticed that Al Pacino, who plays an LAPD detective in the 'Insomnia' remake, doesn't shed his VERY distinctive New York accent? I think Pacino has a terrific screen 'presence,' but it strains credulity when he doesn't 'flatten' his accent to suit his cinematic persona. He did the same thing in the sizzling Michael Mann film 'Heat,' where he's supposed to be an L.A. cop but speaks like he just got off the bus from East Harlem. (Remember Peter Falk's heavy Bronx muttering as he played L.A.'s finest, Lt. Columbo? A lot of people noticed, but overlooked it because Falk was MADE for that role.) Robert DeNiro is the same kind of actor. He either can't, or refuses to, lose that lower Manhattan accent. In the Deer Hunter, he's supposed to be from working-class Pennsylvania; in Midnight Run, from Chicago. This happens a lot with native New Yorkers (Christopher Walken is another example). Just a thought.
shareI watched Nolan's remake well before this and thought I would like this one better but it is not the case. All I saw in the original is a surface story which is the bare bones basis for Nolan's version, which in my opinion holds a philosophical substance the original lacks whatsoever.
shareThe original was without doubt better. Skarsgaard is also an actor with greater qualities.
I really hate these hollywood remakes, with cliché-actors like Pacino, that exploit and ruin successfull originals. Money vs Art....
Oh, that's silly, there's plenty of Art in this remake.
Just because you have a bias against "Hollywood" don't take it out on this film, which is the way a remake SHOULD be done. It is great in its own way.
I am not sure what qualities you think Skarsgaard has that Pacino doesn't, but Pacino is one of the greatest actors in cinema history. Skarsgaard is a fine actor and is tremendous in the original - but don't go too far trying to make your point.
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I thought the original was better than the remake. Stellan Skarsgard's a great (and vastly under-appreciated) actor, and the role requires a hornet's nest of mixed emotions that he delivers brilliantly. His cop must be perceived by far-north Norwegians as extremely professional and super-competent, but he himself is dealing with raging internal demons. Everywhere he goes he encounters eternal daylight while he dwells in psychic shadows. It's a tough part to play. The original was a terrific metaphorical story, and the remake is more of the familiar police 'procedural' stuff that has been done (or is it just my imagination?) about 8 million times in American movies and on TV. Pacino plays, well, Pacino. He has a magnetic screen presence, but he lacks that 'brink of madness' edginess that Skarsgard brings to the role.
Remakes, in my opinion, seldom work, and particularly when they're Hollywood remakes of European films. LaLaLand filmmakers just work at a different level, with different 'bottom line' priorities than their European counterparts. Money vs. art is an appropriate tag for this discussion.
I agree 100% with the above post.
shareI think they're about even. Some elements of the original are stronger, some elements of the remake are stronger. Nolan's direction, and Williams' performance, are sensational. Skarsgaard's performance is better than Pacino's, but I would suggest that Williams is very much the equal of Floberg. The shootout and the ending feel a little contrived, but the chase over the logs is magnificent, and I preferred the remake's characterisation of the hotel receptionist. As I say, I think they're about equal. Both wonderful films...
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The remake of Funny Games was FAR superior to the original. But hey, that one was remade by the original director. So.
shareI saw this first & found it to be much superior to the remake.
Stellan's character is appropriately darker in this original. Naturally in the US we have to have Pacino's character pay for mistakes.
Loved looking at Stellan's eyes in the end....quite chilling! Great performance.
"The remake is available in the bargain bin of your local Walmart."
- Well put.
Comparing the endings just killed the remake for me.
The beauty of the original is those last moments of tension. And the fact that he gets away.
The remake reminded me of what was done with Vanilla Sky. "Here lets take 5 min at the end of the film to explain the plot because we wouldn't want anyone leaving the theater unsure of what happened."
99% of the time these types of remakes make me feel that the people behind the film think I'm dumb.