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THE PREMISE IS A CROCK !!!!!


DO NOT GET ME WRONG -- I LOVE AND ADMIRE WOMEN BUT NOT IN THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES....SOF - are the top 2-3% of troops in - shooting, running, swimming, strength, climbing, hand-to-hand, endurance, mental toughness/tactics, et al. They have typically been through other very hard training programs before - jump and/or ranger school and are honors grads. This top 2-3% is always -MALE.

Women do an excellent job in noncombat roles and have improved the military in admin, customer svs roles, etc. I am retired military and have seen the ways women have improved the DOD when I came back as a DOD contractor recently. The current problems are keeping women out of combat zone deployments for humane reasons - new babies, sick family, etc. The Amazons who enjoyed the Desert -OEF/OIF- deployments I actually came to admire.

I light sparred with a young lady E-4 who was the OIF womens' boxing champ. Despite my being +25 years her senior it quickly became apparent that when I could catch her I could drop her with ease - if I had wanted to. She had the mobility - I the + 120 lb weight advantage. I admired her game attitude though - in the ring and in the field with an M-4 escorting contractors. As greatly as I admired the girl she was still not an SF candidate.

Other countries have tried to use women in SOF roles before -- it did not work for: the Brits, Isreal, or USSR. I know they have used some women in sniper-USSR WW II - and security - Isreal; but SF is a whole other kettle of fish. It is like the NFL - women can play football but they cannot compete with the best of the best males physically and win. Infantry in history - yes -- SF - no.

As far as helping her career - SOF is generally a career grave yard - at least in years past. Most men in SOF are busy training, or on missions, with the fleet or in the air. They are not doing the sort of bs programs that get command notice. SOF is on a need to know basis so SOF is "out of sight and out of mind." Many excellent SF troops retire at Major vs Lt Col or Bird- O-6 - 1-2 grades/ranks behind the pencil pushers.

It is still unlawful for women to be in direct combat MOSs in the US. In SOF small unit operations, the weakest link can get an entire unit killed - no is left behind. The men of SOF must be able to carry a wounded 220 lb buddy on their back - both in full 80 lbs of gear for miles if necessary. Could Demi do that even with all her spa hours ???? Be realistic. Who on this board is another SOF vet ???

Demi whipping the Chief is also a crock. I was beating female black belts in Dojo sparring in my teens as a Yellow belt. I was not the best male in the Dojo either- at that point. This is why sports are generally gender segregated - even in marksmanship. Women have actually WON NRA Open competitions but it is as rare as a space shuttle disaster.

SOF is in all three major branches USN, USA, and USAF as well as in the USMC which is a corp of the Navy - recon. I like ladies and am married to a former NOW local officer; but most of the lady posters are civilians with very little knowledge of the military. You may have seen a film or had an uncle in the service but I hope you will not argue that that confers expertise upon you.

There is also the MEO factor. Female military members are trained to make a bee line for MEO, if they dislike a male's jokes or his passing on a naughty e-mail with a Jay Leno joke on it. The MEO = the military EEOC. Men have lost their military careers over off color jokes, much less the conduct exhibited in this film. To allow such conduct to occur in your command would end careers up to the admiral/flag ranks. I have seen this happen in the military and law enforcement.

In the real world the Chief would have been court martialed for conduct unbecoming an NCO, abuse of authority, and aggrevated sexual battery. He would then spend years in Portsmouth or Charleston Brig.

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more and more women are fighting in combat, one way or another. some are doing convoy security, some as MPs, fighter pilots, chopper pilots, etc. the front lines and rear areas are getting less and less clear and more women are being engaged in ambushes and such. i agree with the OP that special operations should be only men, however, women have been shown in history to fight. Carlos Hathcock, who's one of the most famous Marine Snipers, described a time when he had to fight against this female Vietnamese sniper. the Soviets and Vietnamese have had female soldiers/partisans/guerillas that were able to fight well. some air force security females have been trained as snipers and having female snipers can help deal with other female snipers. one marine instructor who trained some of those women said that the women students were able to show great patience and skill. perhaps it might be beneficial to try out some women in some all female small combat teams.

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how about female special operations pilots? has there been many studies about men and women pilots?

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Not as good.


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Looks like the girls tattle to administration when they lose the argument. In special operations there is no mommy or teachers to tattle to when you don't get your way.

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So sugar is your non de guerre? Hahaha!

Vs nom of war, you ladies with all the opinions have usually NEVER BEEN IN THE MUCH LESS COMBAT!

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Is another bs remake on the way?

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On a planet of 6 Billion people, there is probably a VERY small handful of elite women that could pass the SOF requirements. BUT they would be fools for even trying. Why would any women that had such a HUGE genetic and physical advanatge over 99.999% of other females join the military? The demands of training only to risk their life for $50,000-100,000 per year when they could make far more in sports or some other civilian endevour.

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Why would any MAN do the same? The demands are just as high even if the prime males are more numerous, they will be training just to risk their lives for $50,000-100,000 per year when they could earn so much more in sports or some other civilian endeavour... [/devil's advocate]

I think that, no matter what gender boils down to interest - if you can and want to risk your life in SOF, by all means do so. The problem with the military is the general attitude that women has no place there - women can become great pilots (and women actually have better physical charecteristics than men to be pilots), and there aren't any great physical demands on many fighting positions, like tank crews (except loaders, which is the same as modern slavery).
There are of course positions I would not like to see females in either, most notably infantry for the simple reason that infantry (no matter what kind of) place too great demands on fire and movement in too heavy equipment. Vietnamese females fought during the Vietnam war, with the VC, but they were so lightly equipped it didn't matter. Infantry also holds generally the greatest risk for casualties, and any infantry man needs to be ably to pull a wounded mate to cover. Needless to say, a woman can pull an injured man to safety - but when both she and the wounded are weighed down by modern day equipment, then it might become a problem.


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I agree 100%

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