sad how many people are closed minded. - G.I. Jane (1997) Discussion

[–] Yatagan 11 years ago

Haha, another ignorant fool that knows nothing about combat. There's more to fighting than just pressing a trigger sunshine and face it, women just don't cut it as infantry.

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[–] afortiorama 11 years ago

I bet you know everything about combat from your game console.

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[–] jstevens-967-140993 10 years ago

Really, Yatagan? Well, I hate to burst your little bubble but woman DO fight in combat and even, on occasion, do lead - in the Special Activities Division of the CIA (the paramilitary troops of the CIA). I personally know of one woman who lead a team covertly into enemy territory in 2002 and successfully completed the mission, despite a fierce enemy attack. Naturally, being CIA there was no public announcement but it happens and, honestly, when you are in combat you don't really care the sex of your team members, just how well they can shoot.

So I don't know how you (supposedly) knew women couldn't "cut it" but perhaps you should move to the 21st century and forget the whole Neanderthal thing. And, if you have actually served and been in combat, then you should know better and, if you did not serve, then you should simply shove it.

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[–] nomusicvideos 10 years ago

*beep* you, you sexist ignorant *beep*. There are many women out there who can destroy you point blank. Women should serve in the military if they want gender equality. Women's lives are NOT more valuable than men's

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[–] cormac_zoso 9 years ago

another ignorant fool who has never thought of americans actually having to fight on their own soil (as was mentioned in the original post) as opposed to going elsewhere and not having to actually defend their 'home turf' ... don't know where you're from but you certainly sound like an american ... it's a whole different ballgame when you're defending mrs. jones' house down the street and not juat shooting and bombing the hell out of anything since you really don't have to care about whose life or house it is so give the whole 'know nothing about combat' crap because in the context of the original post there are no americans who have any experience defending their country here at home since the last veteran of the USA Civil War died in 1956

take care,
cormac

"One star in the sky
so I named it Otis Redding"
-- John Hiatt

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[–] puschit-1 11 years ago

Pulling a trigger of a gun is only 0.001% of what soldiers do. Sure, if they want to serve, let them. However, there is huge set of skills, character traits and other requirements to be met in oder to be a useful asset and these are typically found in males. I won't say a woman can't be a good soldier and I being male doesn't make you a good soldier by default. But, generally speaking, males are better suited to be soldiers, it's in the genes. Which means the dropout rate of females will be higher than the dropout rate of males. And every time someone quits alot of time and tax money was wasted.

But, I agree that once a female successfully passed all tests there should be no difference made anymore. If I am in need of help of a soldier I wouldn't question their skills basing on gender, I just assume that he/she is a professional.

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[–] isundling 11 years ago

Tell that to the female vets coming home from the war...some in body bags..

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[–] Cherrydc2 11 years ago

This is the one time I don't think women should be in combat. One thing that keeps them out is this. Enemy doesn't kill the woman but repeatedly rapes them. That's the fear I have for woman being in combat and two. You will never see a woman S.E.A.L...PERIOD!

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[–] lance-0001 11 years ago

Enemy doesn't get time to rape women in actual combat. He's more concerned with saving his own ass most of the time.

And besides, it's not your place to be afraid for them. If a woman qualifies for the post, and proves to be as capable as any other man on the field(or least near the same level) then there is no reason to stop her. Any risks involved are well known to her, and despite knowing them if she is determined to sign up, then it's her own decision. And we should respect that.

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[–] fsword-1 10 years ago

You are incorrect Lance. I personally know of a story during WWII during the invasion of the Japanese occupied islands where a U.S Soldier raped a Japanese woman. As was typical when you have people holed up in caves, the U.S. first went in with flame throwers. The Japanese officers often kept women there to perform various tasks suited to them. As the troops moved in afterwards there was a women, severely burned, but still alive. The soldier then proceeded to rape her. It was probably the most disgusting act I have heard in combat. And remember, the South Pacific was NOT like the European theater, there was no "leave" for the soldiers and sailors there. Ever since hearing that I have been very opposed to women in combat roles.

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[–] ShadowsGathered 10 years ago

I hope the son of a bitch rots in hell.

~ the hardest thing in this world... is to live in it ~

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[–] Royalcourtier 10 years ago

Despite claims (false) about Israel using women in combat roles, no civilised country in modern times has actually seen women employed in infantry combat. However many women are deployed with infantry in roles such as medics, and in associated corps. They are trained to fight, and do sometimes find themselves in combat. They are uniformly unsuccessful.

Woman may in many cases be able to meet minimum strength levels for military service, but cannot with exceptions too few to count meet the very high standards of special forces. It will be a cold day in Hell when women fairly pass SF training.

Race and sex has nothing to do with selection, it is simply a fact that virtually no women, and few men, can meet the standards of physical and mental toughness required.

Source: common sense, and 14 years in the navy (in training and recruitment).

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[–] fsword-1 10 years ago

Most feminists will tell you that women can do everything a man can do. But that isn't true. By nature men are much more violent than women, just look at our prison system for proof. And combat is extremely violent. The men who join SF do so because they like this violence. But more than that, there is a bond among men in combat units. A true brotherhood that, try as they might, women will never share in. This brotherhood only works with men and is the reason so many SF teams are so successful. It will fail if they try to co-ed these teams. it's just the way it is.

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[–] ShadowsGathered 10 years ago

Men and women are fairly well matched mentally, but physically is a different story... any feminist who thinks a woman can do anything a man can is full of crap.

~ the hardest thing in this world... is to live in it ~

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[–] zwolf 8 years ago

If you don't think women can be violent, you haven't much experience with them. The most violent, dangerous human being I know is female. Don't underestimate them.

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[–] grahamvandyke 10 years ago

All the equality talk in the world does not excuse the fact that men are stronger, faster, have denser bones, better mechanical levers, better endurance and produce far more testosterone than women. Granted there are women who are exceptionally strong for their gender, but it's not that common.

You can't think that being a soldier is the mere notion of knowing how to aim a gun or swing a knife. It's a lot more than that.

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[–] thepixinator 10 years ago

Yeah, all you "women can't be soldiers" macho men need to go tell that to all the women killing ISIS in Syria and Kurdistan.
http://www.stripes.com/news/female-fighters-of-the-pkk-may-be-the-isla mic-state-s-worst-nightmare-1.300259
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-female-fighters-kur ds-20140910-photogallery.html
http://utopiathecollapse.com/2014/10/06/kurdish-female-fighter-blows-u p-herself-at-isis-gathering-yes-its-getting-this-out-of-control/
https://thenypost.wordpress.com/2014/08/14/kurdish-women-take-up-arms- against-islamic-state/?preview=true&preview_id=6672986&preview _nonce=c449bee1ea
They're more bad-ass than any of you World-of-Warcraft-playin' armchair soldiers will ever be. I'd let them defend my sorry ass any day.

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[–] Mattfinbell 10 years ago

I agree but the sexes wont be equal until man can get pregnant.

what if there were no weapons?

Yatagan
Haha, another ignorant fool that knows nothing about combat. There's more to fighting than just pressing a trigger sunshine and face it, women just don't cut it as infantry.

Look up woman in the civil war and Revotinary wars

jstevens-967-140993
Really, Yatagan? Well, I hate to burst your little bubble but woman DO fight in combat and even, on occasion, do lead - in the Special Activities Division of the CIA (the paramilitary troops of the CIA). I personally know of one woman who lead a team covertly into enemy territory in 2002 and successfully completed the mission, despite a fierce enemy attack. Naturally, being CIA there was no public announcement but it happens and, honestly, when you are in combat you don't really care the sex of your team members, just how well they can shoot.

So I don't know how you (supposedly) knew women couldn't "cut it" but perhaps you should move to the 21st century and forget the whole Neanderthal thing. And, if you have actually served and been in combat, then you should know better and, if you did not serve, then you should simply shove it.

why wasnt it talked about? Is she still active? is she retired? If she talked about her experience we could get more females in Bond that are not just the woman bond sleeps with or if he does there equals like May Day

Cherrydc2
This is the one time I don't think women should be in combat. One thing that keeps them out is this. Enemy doesn't kill the woman but repeatedly rapes them. That's the fear I have for woman being in combat and two. You will never see a woman S.E.A.L...PERIOD!

Oh Man in the military also have been raped and its by there own comrades in arms

Hopefully one day

fsword-1
Most feminists will tell you that women can do everything a man can do. But that isn't true. By nature men are much more violent than women, just look at our prison system for proof. And combat is extremely violent. The men who join SF do so because they like this violence. But more than that, there is a bond among men in combat units. A true brotherhood that, try as they might, women will never share in. This brotherhood only works with men and is the reason so many SF teams are so successful. It will fail if they try to co-ed these teams. it's just the way it is.

feminists are anti-man and will say anything and do anything to get in the ranks of man. If it is a brotherhood they wouldnt rape there brothers and some have. Then when there brother has been raped they call him buddy

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[–] thepixinator 10 years ago

"feminists are anti-man" ???

Feminists just want their equal rights recognized under the law. That takes nothing away from men. It simply legally ensures women receive what they SHOULD already have: Equal opportunity, equal pay, and legal recourse against discrimination. Feminists are not anti-man. If you really believe that, you are sadly mistaken and have been sold a bill of goods by someone who has a strong fear of seeing women being treated equally for some reason, which is usually greed, insecurity, or fear. If the constitution said "All women and men are created equal" nothing would be taken from or enacted against men. It's so obvious.
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[–] Mattfinbell 10 years ago

They have *beep* everything my body my child!

When a man can get pregnant then and only then will we have equality for the sexes!

No actually I did want more strong female characters and such but then females say I am the weaker sex and I need man to protect me

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[–] snakeye808 9 years ago

Feminists most certainly do not care about equality, which is why you'll never hear them complain about anything that favors women at the expense of men. They are specifically and solely concerned with gaining as many advantages as they can for women, and they're plan for achieving that goal is to mainly bash men in every way imaginable.

Anyways, G.I. Jane was a rather revolutionary film since it was among the first 'women can be badasses too' films. Nowadays we are being overwhelmed by women soldiers/assassins who are beating up herds of muscular men with their bare hands. I think we had more ass-kicking women movies this past year than men in these roles. Buff guys like Arnold, Stallone and Van Damme have been replaced by women ;)

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[–] userrrrr 10 years ago

It's beyond sad when people are so open minded in an effort to please every single perspective held by others that their brains fall out.

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