Where they went wrong with Batman & Robin was with the script and the props. Apparently Joel Schumacher wanted to make it like a cartoon. The props could have been forgiven but the dialogue was way over the top. The actors tried their best, but what else can you do with dialogue like that?
It's still entertaining, in my honest opinion. It isn't taking itself seriously. Batman & Robin is one of those guilty pleasure films.
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The cartoon aspect was in full bloom with ignoring of gravity and other physical laws; those car chases, jumping from building to building, culminating in a rocket ride into space, then surfing back to Earth! OMG, like a car accident, it's hard to look away! I watch it like a burning building, SMH every time I surf by! ๎ฒ ๎ฉ ๎
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I honestly don't think that people had a problem with there being silly or cartoonish elements. Even Tim Burton's Batman movies had their own silly or campy moments. The difference between Batman Forever and Batman & Robin is that Forever took a serious premise (the template that Tim Burton set in his movies) and made it more accessible through jokes and family-friendly content. Batman & Robin is really when you get right down to it a tongue in cheek parody of superhero movies and comics in general.
We're Batman & Robin goes especially wrong is when the movie wants to have its cake and eat it too. There are extremely serious moments (namely the heartbreaking subplot involving Alfred) that simply don't gel with the rest of the otherwise goofy movie. The more of the intended emotional tone was further hampered the fact that Batman was once again recast as a new actor.
what is silly or campy about Burton's Batman? And Batman & Robin is not a superhero parody.
shareLet's see:
*The "Partyman" sequence with the Joker and his goons at the museum
*The Joker shooting down the Batwing with a single shot from his long pistol after not being hit by the Batwing's ammo
*Joker spitting out catting teeth after Batman stars beating the shit out of him
I can go all day with what's in Returns but I'll go with what comes to mind first and foremost:
*The whole "Catwoman his nine lives" implication
*The way that Penguin behaves when he has sabotaged the Batmobile
*The Penguin accidentally grabbing the "cute" umbrella just before he drops dead
*The subplot involving Penguin running for mayor, which was literally lifted out of an episode of the 1960s TV series with Burgess Meredith
Batman & Robin may have not officially been meant as a parody (in the manner of which Spaceballs was meant to be a parody of Star Wars), but it sure as hell felt like it for the most part.
shareonly if you are ignorant about everything, if you go back and read Poison Ivy's original appearance in the Batman comics, it's exactly what you see on the movie and that's what it's meant to be, an adaptation of that period in Batman comics, it doesn't even reference the Adam West series like pathetic fanboys love to say, it's a literal adaptation of Batman comics.
shareYou want to put that to the test (by the way, Poison Ivy was never on the Adam West series, so I don't know where exactly you're going with that):
http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/08/comic-book-references-in-movies-part-iv.html
And how is not the scene in which George Clooney pulls out the "Bat-credit card" not a text-book example of the franchise bordering on self-parody!?
I never said Poison Ivy appeared on the Adam West series, everyone knows she didn't, although they did have Lilac Man or whatever his name was. And thank you for doing the work for me, there you go, Batman & Robin is an adaptation of the batman comics, plain and simple, and it shares the same tone of that particular period of the 50's, 60's and 70's in comics.
It is not self-parody, it's a joke in the film.
How do you then explain Bane's (a character who debuted in the '90s) portrayal in this movie!?
sharewell my guess is that Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane were featured because of Batman The Animated Series, which brought them to the forefront, that's my theory anyway, so they included him but they were clearly going for a straight comic book tone, and they just adapted Bane to that tone.
shareNot it isn't. It's so bad it is REALLY bad. I have yet to sit through the whole movie (not that I would ever try again) it was so nauseatingly awful. I like bad movies, I find Surviving Christmas entertaining (only I would never be stupid enough to try to argue that it was a good movie) and no I wouldn't expect anyone else to think that movie was a guilty pleasure movie. Bad movies are bad movies.
It's good as a soft-core porn/sci-fi action film when watching just the Poison Ivy scenes. It would be interesting to see a re-edit of this movie in which Ivy is the only villain.
shareThere are a handful of people that say this is a so bad it's good movie, but I'm not one of them. For me, the ultimate so bad it's good movie is a much earlier Schwarzenegger flick, Commando (1985).
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The thing about this movie is its shamelessly bad. Its a complete joke and it knows it. Its literally a 2 hour toy commercial, that defies the laws of physics, logic, and introduces costume and vehicular changes for the purpose of selling more toys. Hell, "That's why every Poison Ivy action figure comes complete with [Bane]!" Thats actually a quote from the movie, its amazing. This movie gave zero *beep* its so cheesy and campy and full of lame puns that yes, it does veer into the "so bad its good' territory. Its even better when you have a get together with your friends trashing how bad the movie is. Alcohol makes it even better.
"George, you can type this *beep* but you can't say it."
Its a difference maker when comparing it to Nolan's films, this film knows its bad and the Nolan ones don't know they're bad.
sharewhen I saw Batman & Robin at the theaters of course I cringed and hated it for many years, now it's one of my favorite films. Every time I see ANYTHING by Nolan it just sinks further and further into oblivion for me.
shareBatman & Robin holds the distinction of being one of two movies I walked out of the theater during. The other was Superman IV.
Those fourth movies were apparently a bane.