In the first film you see werewolves knocking down the door and shooting everybody dressed in nazi uniforms. In the second one, claude is the leader of a skinhead werewolf group and at one point in the abandoned church andy gets up and yells "skinheads are planning a massacre!". I was just curious as to why this was a common theme to both films.
sharethis is just me... but maybe its cuz Jon Landis is one seriously messed up dude... I thank him for American Werewolf in London and The Blues Brothers, OH! AND ANIMAL HOUSE!!!
shareA few things...
Number 1: I wouldn't say John Landis is messed up. I think he's one of the best directors of all time
Number 2: I didn't really get that who dream with werewolves with guns and everything. That was freaky.
Number 3: Isn't there a connection between Hitler and wolves? Didn't he like wolves or was there a ship, or something, named after one? I heard from somewhere, probably the History Channel.
Be cunning, full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed
-Watership Down
David was Jewish, so perhaps the dream with the Nazi werewolves was just a form of sub-cultural fear. That's how I took it, at least.
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Stannis: "The siege begins at sunrise."
I can't really say about the first film, as that was sort of a freakish dream thing.
But for the second, there's an obvious relationship between skinheads (at least the neo-Nazi version) and werewolves.
Werewolves are seen as beings of great strength and protective ferocity in Teutonic mythologies. Far from the evil monstrosities they later became in myth well after the Christian conversion of the Teutonic lands, they were actually seen as a good thing.
There is some relationship between the Werewolf and the ancient berserkr, as well. Hence another relationship, as neo-Nazi skinheads revere the berserkr.
All in all, it's a natural correspondence (unless you take the Werewolf theme from early Germania, rather than later Germania, in which case the Werewolves would have been a protective, rather than a defensive force), or more to the point a natural MODERN correspondence.
Care to explain these links more directly?
shareI think I have a simple explanation.
At one point Claude says they want to purify the human race. They want to kill all the weak and stupid (they start with the Americans, pretty funny). And in a way that's the same as the nazi's(/skinheads) wanted to do by killing Jews/homosexuals/...
For the record, I don't agree with any of these ideas. Hitler was wrong and so were these werewolfs.
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"For the record, I don't agree with any of these ideas. Hitler was wrong and so were these werewolfs."
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the whole naziwolf thig in the first movie was cus David was Jewish... he had a halucinatory dream about his family being attack... they were nazis cus the family was jewish, they were werewolves cus David was attacked by one.
shareThats kinf of what I thought. I knew there was a teutonic link between wolves and their myths, thast where the story of the werewolf comes from. As for claude wanting to kill the stupid and the weak, hed be far better off to start with the french, lol.
I forgot that david was jewish, it was discussed in the first film when the nurse notices he has been circumcised, a traditionally jewish custom.
i cant answer that question without being accused of making something out of nothing but i can point out that john landis jewish.
shareOf course the fact that David is Jewish, so is Landis. Also, all these dreams/nightmares show how he is loosing his humanity, slowly becoming a monster that will stop at nothing to feed even if it means killing loved ones.
And if you really want to go into mythology: Hitler was inspired a lot by the Roman empire which had a story about Romulus and Remus who were brothers raised by a wolf and founded Rome... so they said.
Of course many people named Wolf were Nazis at the time but considering it's a pretty common name in Germany it's not of much relevance...
And of course there is "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" (1975)
I love how he has two nightmares one after the other and just has this great reaction when he wakes up for the second time "Holy sh*t!"
people especially Hollywood sure have a fucked up odd way of having someone in a movie to hallucinate have bad dreams of them dealing with werewolfism when they're seeing werewolf's wearing Nazi uniforms and shooting submachine guns and torching houses.
To OP and others on this board
"In the first film you see werewolves knocking down the door and shooting everybody dressed in nazi uniforms"
These are not werewolves they are orc like creatures
In the first film when do you ever see the werewolf walk like a man. The werewolves in the first film are more like real wolves they walk on all fours.
I think its just meant as a disturing dream sequence.
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