Angel vs Spike

Spike was one of the high points of Season 5 Angel, the back and forth quips and "friendly" rivalry was perfect. What did you think of him on that show?

I thought Spikes arch on Buffy through the seasons was great. Been a long time since I watched Buffy though, all I remember is not liking the final season of Buffy.

When do you think they could have added Spike during Angels run? Im trying to imagine him in season 4. Maybe he could have showed up with Faith?

I agree completely. To this day, "Seeing Red" (the episode where Spike tries to rape Buffy) is my most hated Buffy episode. I get *why* the rape attempt was added: to show that, despite the good he'd done, Spike was still a soulless monster and to put him on the path to getting his soul back. But I still hate it. You can tell that it was forced in, and I felt it did a disservice to both Spike and Buffy as characters. For me it's the biggest misstep of the show.

Spike was the reason I got into the show in S4.

Respectfully disagree on all counts.

Angel was good. He was a great first love for buffy. THe scene when he gets his soul back and she still has to kill him? GLORIOUS DRAMA.

Spike's character arc was in some ways better. The rape attempt made sense, given that he is a vampire, but his decision to go and get his soul to improve himself, was very..."empowering".

AND, his being somewhat dramatic after wards, was certainly justified, imo.