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Do you think they deserved to die?!


There was a moment in the trial that didn't make any sense to me. It's when the prosecutor asks Carl 'Do you think they deserved to die?' and Carl admits he does. The film portrays this as a big victory for the prosecution - the music, the victorious grin on prosecutors face, Carls lawyer looks devastated...

But from judicial point of view it doesn't make any sense. Sure, usually it's a strong point to have the defendant admit he thought the victim deserved to die. But that's only when he denies killing him/her. This question (or the answer to be precise) establishes a motive. In Carl's case, nobody in the world would doubt his motive and nobody could have expected a different answer to that question from him.

So - the prosecutor achieved only one thing with this question - he showed us that the writers of this movie know nothing about murder trials.

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I agree, this movie sure takes a lot of dramatic liberties when it comes to murder trials. Why does there have to be some sort of political/personal/motivations for the prosecutor to bring charges against Carl? He killed two men, of course there's going to be charges against him. And no prosecutor on the face of the planet would have sought the death penalty against him. First degree murder? Maybe. But not the death penalty. GMAB. What Carl did was totally understandable. However, it was wrong and he should have gone to jail. I find the outcome of the trial, like the OP, to be unrealistic. The man admits what he did and feels no remorse. Again, understandable. Those two men did deserve to die. But the jury would have been forced to follow the law. In real, life, he probably would have been convicted of second degree murder and given the minimum sentence with time served. And if the racial tensions were that high in that region, then who knows.

The jury is not allowed in any to discuss the case, let alone deliberate and take votes while the trial is ongoing. It's completely illegal. They are specifically told not to make up their minds at all until all the evidence is heard and they are given jury instructions. If they started taking votes and such in the middle of the trial, that's a mistrial, for sure. 100%. It doesn't matter how secretive they are. They would have been found out. Normally, in a trial with national attention a jury is sequestered. But not always. I just don't think what happened here would have happened in real life.

I also thought it was funny that a young law student was brought onto the defense team because she had experience with death penalty trials. There is no way in hell a law student Is going to have any kind of experience with death penalty trials. It takes years and years of hard work and trial experience for a lawyer to become death qualified, prosecutor or defense attorney. You have to work your way up and that usually doesn't happen until a lawyer is in their late mid to late 30s. That was just an excuse to cast beautiful, young Sandra.

I also don't understand what was so devastating about Carl's answer to that question. Of course he thought they should die. That's why he killed them. He's not denying what he did and they are basically going for justifiable homicide. So, whatevs.

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Well in a way they did deserve to die but it would have been better if they were put in a cell with tough black men so they could torture them and rape them,let them see what it's like to be beaten and helpless..

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If someone had ever done that to my daughter, I would have killed them, sure as *beep* Yes, they deserved to die and to burn in hell, just like Carl Lee says in the movie!

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After raping an innocent 10 year old girl and leaving her for dead? Absolutely. 

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I think rapists should be given two choices. A. execution B. Having the "instrument" of their crime surgically removed and transplanted to their foreheads so all can see what they are. Option A makes the world a safer place and gets rid of them. Option B lets them be like their victim - lets them live with the consequences of their crime staring them in the face - literally - for the rest of their lives and warns others of what they are. There can be a thousand reasons for murder - SLJ's character was actually merciful given what these two did to his daughter in the speed of his act - but there can be none for rape other than a desire for cruelty that cannot be rehabilitated.

Let me ask you this. Do you think SLJ's character was a danger to anybody other than the two rapists he killed? Do you think the rapists, probably getting away with their crime, would continue to be a danger to others, looking for bigger thrills until they, too, kill?

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Yes they deserved to die, and I hope they burn in hell!

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yes. of course. they raped and permanently disfigured a child's sex

she fell through a hole, and was never seen again

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I would agree with you IF you throw out Jake's closing argument. It doesn't matter how you look at it -- if your daughter is raped and made to suffer because of what these evil people did, a kind of insanity DOES come into play here.

If anybody rapes my daughter, I would skin them and burn them alive for doing it. If that is not the definition of insanity, WHAT IS?

Don't give me any ridiculous ideas of justice or society here. Someone that is evil enough to rape a child SHOULD burn in Hell, regardless of our *beep* up system of justice. If you don't believe that, why is it that people convicted of child molestation face violence IN prison by murderers?

It's because fundamentally it is UNIVERSALLY wrong to abuse a child. EVERYONE knows that. If you do it, there's nothing anyone can or SHOULD do to defend you.

You're going to Hell. One way or the other, even if it's by the hands of men.

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You didn't come here to make the choice, you're here to understand why you made it.

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