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Scene with Asian friend Mike cut out....


from all of the TV broadcast versions I've seen in the past few years.

Any ideas why?

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My idea? They need to somehow shorten the movie to make it fit the time slot with commercials. Many viewers did not understand the importance of that scene, instead just thought it was unnecessary filler. So it would be a scene they think they can cut without affecting the overall movie.

That is one reason why I never watch a good movie on TV, you can't trust them. DVDs are relatively cheap.

..*.. TxMike ..*..
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes not. With Marge I can never be alone.

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What is the importance of that scene?

Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

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Personally I would not complain about the deleted scene with Señor Yanagita. This was a great opportunity to make a sammich or drain one's bladder. Hopefully the sex scene at the Blue Ox and woodchipper action on the lake remained in what you viewed. Otherwise I would demand a freakin refund.

He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

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It did nothing to move the story along. It had absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

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Your comment just shows that you missed an important story element. Or you just don't understand it.

The scene with Mike came after her first interview with Jerry, where he assured her he would know if any cars were missing, and she went away content. After her meeting with Mike, where he told her he was successful, had been married to Linda Cooksey, etc. she spoke to another old friend from high school who basically told her everything Mike said was a lie. As she is driving away, in her car, you see the flash of realization on her face, she was too trusting, Mike had lied to her and maybe Jerry was lying too. So that realization caused her to go back to see Jerry, to press the issue about the Tan Cierra, and ultimately resulted in Jerry fleeing the interview, the beginning of her cracking the case.

Presumably if she had not encountered Mike she would not have suspected Jerry was lying to her face and the case might not have been solved.

So yes, it is a critical scene in the overall movie and I am always amazed when I come across people who watched the movie but were not able to recognize that.

..*.. TxMike ..*..

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Your comment just shows that you missed an important story element. Or you just don't understand it.

So yes, it is a critical scene in the overall movie and I am always amazed when I come across people who watched the movie but were not able to recognize that.


LOL @ your unwarranted smugness. What you posted is nothing more than a fan theory, and it isn't even a good one. So you think that Mike was the first person who had ever lied to her? Prior to that, she had no idea that people were capable of lying?

Also, she didn't suspect that Jerry was lying; she merely suspected that he may not have actually verified that there were no cars missing. She asked him, "How do you know?" and then asked about their methods of keeping track of all their cars and such. Had she suspected him of lying, she wouldn't have been satisfied with him going and doing a lot count by himself, because he could just lie about the results of that too. She didn't suspect any intentional deception/wrongdoing on his part until she saw him "fleeing the interview".

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I didn't get any smug vibe from him. Straight forward and to the point is not smug.
I'm sorry that you didn't get that scene, but you should not feel bad or stupid. A lot of people didn't get it. I didn't on my first viewing. However, it is not just a fan theory. It has been discussed to death since the film came out and is exactly what TxMike said.
https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/290/what-significance-does-mike-yanagita-have-in-fargo

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I didn't get any smug vibe from him. Straight forward and to the point is not smug.


Not only was he being smug, but it was unwarranted smugness, which is hilarious. In other words, his smugness is based on him "getting" a fan theory, which he laughably presented as a fact.

I'm sorry that you didn't get that scene


LOL! Given that his fan theory is stupid, and I've already explained why, and even if it weren't stupid, it's still just a fan theory, there's nothing to "get".

However, it is not just a fan theory.


Yes, it most certainly is.

It has been discussed to death since the film came out and is exactly what TxMike said.


Anything that isn't evident from onscreen events is a fan theory, no matter who proposes it. In this case, the fan theory is not only not evident from onscreen events, it is actually at odds with them. Once again, she didn't initially suspect that Jerry was lying. As I said:

Also, she didn't suspect that Jerry was lying; she merely suspected that he may not have actually verified that there were no cars missing. She asked him, "How do you know?" and then asked about their methods of keeping track of all their cars and such. Had she suspected him of lying, she wouldn't have been satisfied with him going and doing a lot count by himself, because he could just lie about the results of that too. She didn't suspect any intentional deception/wrongdoing on his part until she saw him "fleeing the interview".

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The cohen brothers confirmed it. You are the smug one and you are grasping at straws.

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>The cohen brothers confirmed it.

Again:

Anything that isn't evident from onscreen events is a fan theory, no matter who proposes it.

>You are the smug one and you are grasping at straws.

Your non sequitur is dismissed. And given that you have no actual arguments with regard to onscreen evidence, your tacit concession on the whole matter is noted.

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You are welcome to think whatever you wish, but I was trying to explain that it is confirmed by the film makers(and most obsessive fans). You can disregard that if you wish, but that doesn't alter reality for everyone else, only you.

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It doesn't matter what the movie maker (or anyone else) says. For example, if there is a scene in a movie with a white cat, and the film maker says it was a black cat, it doesn't change the fact that it was a white cat, because only onscreen events matter, as I've already pointed out. Just because a movie maker intends/tries to convey something, doesn't mean he was successful.

If you have an onscreen events-based argument which actually addresses the following...

What you posted is nothing more than a fan theory, and it isn't even a good one. So you think that Mike was the first person who had ever lied to her? Prior to that, she had no idea that people were capable of lying?

Also, she didn't suspect that Jerry was lying; she merely suspected that he may not have actually verified that there were no cars missing. She asked him, "How do you know?" and then asked about their methods of keeping track of all their cars and such. Had she suspected him of lying, she wouldn't have been satisfied with him going and doing a lot count by himself, because he could just lie about the results of that too. She didn't suspect any intentional deception/wrongdoing on his part until she saw him "fleeing the interview".


... then present it. Otherwise, your tacit concession on the whole matter remains noted.

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"For example, if there is a scene in a movie with a white cat, and the film maker says it was a black cat, it doesn't change the fact that it was a white cat"

LMFAO. Dumbest analogy ever. I'm done here. This is like playing chess with a pigeon; amusing at first but ultimately pointless.

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You fail Analogies 101 forever, and given that you have exactly zero arguments, your tacit concession on the matter remains noted.

>This is like playing chess with a pigeon; amusing at first but ultimately pointless.

Comical irony, coming from someone who just established himself as an utter idiot. Also, the idea of you knowing the first thing about chess is even funnier.

Tell me this, dumbass: if she suspected him of lying, why did she ask him to do an unsupervised a lot count? That would be a case of asking a liar to confirm his own lie.

You + an idiot = 2 idiots.

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You can like or not like the scene but I do think the Coens have made it clear that it was meant to wake up Marge from her Midwestern naivety and blind trust and made her suspicious of Jerry. I watched this several times and, though I liked the scene, I always wondered what the point was. A similar scene is the one where the officer talks with the older man about what he heard while tending bar. It barely moves the story along but I find it hilarious - "Well, that don't sound like too good a deal for him then."

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Even assuming that scene was intended to be the catalyst for Marge suspecting Lundegaard, IMO it really wasn't all that important. It was boring, took up too much time, and wasn't necessary for Marge to come to suspect him (for example they could have easily escalated the absence of inventory question much quicker).

Besides, as someone else on here mentioned, were we supposed to believe Marge - a cop - took everything she was told at face value? Even in the quirky Coen world, that's a bit much to swallow.

And just because the Coens supposedly said the scene was intended to arouse Marge's suspicion, doesn't mean it was all that.

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