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One thing I don't understand


There's one thing bothering me... from the very first time Kathryn met Cole she was saying that she feels like she met him before... and on the end she says she remember's him as he is now (with a with and moustache)... what does that mean? How can she have any previous memory of him as only Cole was there as a kid?

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The first time she meets Cole is when he's imprisoned on his mistaken trip back to 1990. It's possible she'd begun to research her book on "Apocalyptic Visions" and had already seen the photograph of nude Cole in WW I. So, he looked familiar.

As to the familiarity with Cole with the moustache in Dec-1995, there are other threads about that one. By then, she was more than familiar with him from that time, and from the 1990 adventure in the mental institution. My own view is that after all this, she was simply in love with him, and love is a drug that does strange things to our memory and perceptions.

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Yeah, I completely forgot that she had black and white photo from WW1 and he was on it..

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The WWI photo of Cole explains how she recognized him when he was drugged and tied up in the cell in 1990. But it doesn't explain how she remembered him "like this", with the moustache and disguise on. It seems intentional, though, and not some slip or goof. It's just something we currently have no explanation for. Maybe it's her own described Cassandra Complex.

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I really wish there was more information in the movie to explain this one. I don't like labeling this as a false memory on her part or a delusion, but there's nothing concrete. Supernatural and pseudo-scientific interpretations are the only ones that can be made.

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What is merely the normal workings of her memory will undoubtedly be used by her society to judge her as a delusional. Here we have a nice coda with the rantings of Jeffery Goines, that the Insane simply have a different interpretation of events around them.

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> What is merely the normal workings of her memory will undoubtedly
> be used by her society to judge her as a delusional

Well, that occupied a portion of the first of my three fan-fiction sequels, but then her brainy side took over and... well, I can't say any more. NBC/Universal told me to bury the stories.

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Have been asking the same question to myself , since I saw it for the first time . It´s simply ridiculous , to try to interprete much deeper sence in it . It´s just a stupid goof of the scriptwriter , or whoever . She just can´t remember him from anywhere , and if , never with a moustache . But it´s a great plot , that Cole remembers her from his childhood.

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Well, the movie is structured like a Mobius strip, where Cole's actions inevitably lead to his younger self witnessing his own death, the trauma and memory of which lead him to cause that death by seeking out Railly and running off to the airport. From the point of view of a camera that followed around young Cole until he aged, went back in time, and died, then glided back to young Cole, this cycle is infinite. Cole has met Railly an infinite amount of times and it always ends the same way.

So, the hokey explanation is that Railly remembers Cole because in a skewed metaphysical sense, she's always known him. Cause and effect runs both backwards and forwards in time throughout the movie, and so Railly and Cole's memories appear to cause ripples both backwards and forwards in time.

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Remember that later on Kathryn finds a picture of a wounded Cole from WWI in her research materials. My reading of that scene is that she had seen this picture when researching her book and on a subconscious level had recognized Cole when she meets him for the first time.

Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.

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I see it being an incident of Deja Vu.

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Time Loop, that's why. She recalls it because of previous times of them doing the same thing.

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Regarding the end scene where she says she remembers him as is now; I took it two ways:

1) She's implying she always knew he was telling the truth, and in that truth she perceives him as a hero who's trying to save the human race. So from the moment she met him she had a feeling that deep down there's a truth to him. Something heroic. At the end of the film she sees him as he really is, and in a way she's always seen him that way. So she feels a familiarity.

2) She's expressing fate. The film has an element of fate and not being able to escape it. When she meets Cole she has a feeling they're meant to be meet. As the film goes on and she realises he's telling the truth she begins to realise it is their fate to meet.


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