Mills should have shot John in the kneecaps
And made him suffer. He went painlessly
shareYeah that would have been awesome!
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Exactly my thoughts, I wanted Mills to stick his pistol in the back of Doe’s knees and blow off his knee-caps, and then try to remove as many non-vital body parts as possible, tearing out his eyes, cutting off his nose, tongue, fingers, whatever he can in the time he has.
Death was a blessing for John Doe, what he needed was prolonged physical and mental suffering, something comparable to the suffering he inflicted on others.
Then he wouldn't have been an embodiment of 'anger', but a full blown psycho like John Doe who feels justified in torturing people he feels deserve it.
shareJon Doe did deserve it, it’s not ‘psycho’ to dispense justice 🤷🏻♂️
shareI'm sure John Doe thought his victims deserved it too.
Justice is not vengeance.
Yes, because Doe was insane and evil - he tortured and killed innocent people.
You have fallen down the pit of moral relativism and it’s left you with no moral compass.
>"You have fallen down the pit of moral relativism and it’s left you with no moral compass."
That may be, friend...
Do you reckon that'd be much worse than falling down the pit of passing judgment on people's moral character based on exactly 4 lines of text on a film forum?
(Note all of my posts were about John Doe, not about you as a person -of whom I know nothing...).
But I guess that's what I've always found frightening, friend: that the people who are all for torturing those "who deserve it" (and we can see you've given plenty of thought to it, your post describing very precisely what you'd like to do to Doe...) are often also the very same who are prompt to pass moral judgement based on appearances and never ever doubt (see the Holy Inquisiton, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and other groups of funny funny people...).
You seem like somebody who is interested in the world of ideas. Two questions for you, friend:
- What would you say is the difference between justice and vengeance?
- Do you know what an 'ad hominem' is?
Do you reckon that'd be much worse than falling down the pit of passing judgment on people's moral character based on exactly 4 lines of text on a film forum?
I guess you’d have to ask someone who did what you’re describing 🤷🏻♂️
But I guess that's what I've always found frightening, friend: that the people who are all for torturing those "who deserve it" (and we can see you've given plenty of thought to it, your post describing very precisely what you'd like to do to Doe...) are often also the very same who are prompt to pass moral judgement based on appearances and never ever doubt (see the Holy Inquisiton, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and other groups of funny funny people...)
OK. How is any of this relevant to what I said?
You seem like somebody who is interested in the world of ideas. Two questions for you, friend:
- What would you say is the difference between justice and vengeance?
Justice is administering the correct and proportional punishment for a crime. Revenge is settling a personal score.
- Do you know what an 'ad hominem' is?
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John Doe seemed like the kind of guy who would get a sexual rush out of pain, so by torturing him he would also probably be giving John Doe what he wanted.
shareThis isn’t a cigarette burn on the arm, it’s permanent maiming - eyes gouged out, limbs and other extremities cut off. The pain would be unbearable, and you’d be permanently rendered a quivering worm that pisses and shits itself.
I don’t buy that anyone would ‘get a sexual rush’ from that, no matter how fucked up they are.
John Doe was all kinds of fucked up, he probably would get off on the pain. Heck Castor Troy in Face/Off was clearly getting a sexual high by slicing Archer’s face which he was wearing and I find John Doe to be far more crazy than Castor Troy.
shareSlicing a face that you’re wearing to spite your mortal enemy as you’re about to die is totally different to the package of agonising mutilations I’m suggesting for Doe.
shareActually, I would've put my gun away and just take my frustrations out on him using my bare hands and if that meant killing him in the process, so be it. I guarantee he would've suffered to some extent
shareJohn essentially won knowing he would make Mills snap and it would be a battle of Mills trying to abide by the Law, even after John cut off his wife's head and delivered it to him via Fed-Ex OR shoot him in the head and not waste tax payers $$$$ on someone who would plead Insanity and probably win there..
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