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Lack of Diversity in Sailor Moon


Let's be real for a moment: The protectors of our galaxy should not all hail from Japan, nor should they all be light skinned, pale females. We do have the occasional change of skin tone in the anime with characters like Setsuna and Sailor Lead Crow, but for the most part, Sailor Moon is severely lacking in Ethnic diversity. No African based characters, nor Hispanic, or even South East Asians.

The question of the hour: How does this lack of diversity effect you? Is it still too early to modernize these characters and include a more diverse cast?

For the sake of full disclosure (and just so we don't get any defensive arguing) Sailor Moon does a pretty amazing job of representing the LGBTQ community, and a vastly superior job than many other animes of representing the journey of a woman within the medium.

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it truly doesn't bother me in the least and I feel like this is one of those "first world problems" wherein America and similar western nations make such an issue of diversity or lack thereof that they feel the need to fix issues where none exist.

Why is it so ridiculous to think that a Japanese series made by Japanese people set in Japan would have an entirely Japanese cast? Though they all look "white" (and the English dub just leaves it to seem that way) they are meant to be Asian, weird as that is. I'm much more offended by token diversity. To say one of them "should" be black or hispanic "because diversity" is about creating issues where none exist.

It's like the argument from some that the casting of Michael B. Jordan in the new Fantastic Four movie is NECESSARY because "don't black kids need heroes to look up to too?" Well, when I was a kid we all wanted to be like Michael Jordan and that didn't mean we couldn't admire him because we weren't black. It's a false equivalency. In this case, I think remaking Sailor Moon to be more obviously colorful actually takes away from its sense of identity and goes further towards "American-izing" an Asian property.

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First of all I want to thank you for your response It has been such a pleasure to see you jumpstart all the discourse that I post on these boards but it looks like we are about to part ways in opinion in a very heavy way.

Japan has a real problem with race. Their citizenship is dependent on their DNA where among a population that is comparable to that of Mexico it only naturalizes about 15,000 people a year and most of that is because it needs to solve a problem where their population is decreasing rather than increasing yearly. In fact, more people kill themselves in Japan yearly than the country naturalizes. About twice as many to be precise. But even though Japan's lack of access to naturalization isn't unique (in terms of the broader spectrum of nations), and their racism is well documented, we all stand around and act as if it isn't an issue. What concerns me when I look at Sailor Moon and its lack of diversity is that Takeuchi exploits her medium's penchent for white characters and actors and has not taken the last 20 years to grow as a person who has had a global platform since Sailor Moon's inception.

It's precisely the line that you use, "Why is it so ridiculous to think that a Japanese series made by Japanese people set in Japan would have an entirely Japanese cast?" That I have used to assuage myself from any real discussion on race in Sailor Moon. But the question posed to you and your fellow users was whether or not the story should be modernized to reflect the kind of global scale that Sailor Moon is set on. It's not even a question of whether we could find a way to make sense out of international characters because there is plenty of room for that (I can think of several reasons why Ami, Lita, or Mina could have origins in South America, Africa, or the Middle East), but why we won't find a way? And why won't Takeuchi? As I explained in my response to another user below, many characters already hail from different parts of the world and different parts of a world from throughout the galaxies, but to have such a severe focus on white characters is truly a questionable subject that needs to be broached. Especially since we have all claimed we grew up watching the show. As adults in a global world, we have a responsibility to have these discussions about race.

While I appreciate your sentiment that we can look upon Sailor Moon and Michael Jordan and idolize them without having them be like us ethnically, lacking heroes with something like our same ethnicity makes it much harder for us to relate. It makes it much harder for us to see people who are different from us as human and capable of great things. I'll just come out and say that people who have a problem with turning Johnny Storm black are racist. Especially when given the sensible change in backstory and the decent argument that families come in all shapes and sizes. I think using the Fantastic Four as an example as to why we need to nix diversity is a very troubling route to take and I would advise against it.

Before I close this reply I would like to bring up one last thing. I am gay. Because Sailor Moon had a lesbian love story, I became that much more attached to it. I'm also a feminist. If Sailor Moon were about male warriors saving the planet, I would never have appreciated it the way I do with the female heroines. And let's open our eyes. For Takeuchi, Sailor Moon was also a project of diversity. It was created in the middle of the third wave feminism movement when Spice Girls hit the airwaves and the world started hearing about girl power. If we can tolerate a project about diversity concerning gender (and in some cases, gender identity, and gay rights), we can certainly tolerate a reimagination of Sailor Moon concerning race and ethnicity.

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Japan is not America their diversity is non existent. Naoko Takeuchi would have had to change the setting for the group to be diverse. I think it depends on the author and what they envisioned for their character. That is the only think that matters when it comes to casting or creating characters. It has to be done organically not a forced little happy rainbow.

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I think one of the biggest caveats some of these replies are missing (and it's a double edged sword, honestly) is that the Senshi characters are generally aliens to Earth. Their origins beyond the moon kingdom are typically unknown making for an interesting debate in itself as to why Takeuchi or anyone would accept that the girls would all just be born in Japan. An even deeper look at Sailor Moon and lack of diversity shows that the generals, who are actually from Earth, are supposed to hail from different parts of the world originally but they are still all white. This is especially troubling because it seems to suggest that Takeuchi sees leadership through a lens of whiteness rather than for the globally diverse reality it is.

If we go on later into the series where we explore several different planets throughout the galaxy and the universe, almost every key character has a melanin deficiency. If you're used to seeing your characters as white then of course you don't have a problem with this. But for the rest of the audience who either does have strong roots in people of color or is awakened to the lack of diversity in the medium, this is really a big problem.

One of the things that the poster Trek above you gets wrong is how we respond to heroes of color (which I will respond to seperately), and uses this as a strawman argument against modernizing a cult classic. But just because Japan lacks diversity, this doesn't give Takeuchi a pass on how she views the world. Especially when she has had 20 years of extreme praise for her most lauded work from a very diverse audience. 20 years is a long time to learn about the world and your fans. With the new Sailor Moon crystal coming, it'd be a mistake to not address the issue head on. Why isn't princess Kakyu or any of her starlights a person of color? Why isn't there more representation in terms of race from different planets? 20 years is a great amount of time for this kind of lesson to bake in her proverbial creative oven and produce a change organically.

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What about Sailor Pluto?

If they wanted to be "realistic", monsters would appear all over the world instead of Japan, and the girls - spread all over the world - would keep in contact via skype.

Unfortunately, watching girls skype would be boring as hell. Those scenes of them going to the arcade are just as important as the fighting monsters scenes - the girls aren't just fellow soldiers, they're friends willing to risk their lives for each other. The story was already stretching plausability with teenage girls going out fighting monsters in the middle of the night and not getting caught by their parents - you think travelling halfway around the world would make more sense?

So we get what we get. Japanese girls that hang out and fight monsters together. If you can't suspend disbelief for something like that, this isn't the show to be watching.

I'd be PISSED if they changed any of the girls' skin color, and I am southeast Asian. I don't need them pandering to me, ugh.

And why would different planets = different races? That's your vision of aliens, but it doesn't mean it's Naoko's. My vision would be green-skinned aliens from Neptune with lizard skin, but I don't see that being incorporated anytime soon.

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Sailor Pluto has already been mentioned and the fact that Sailor Moon is a fantastical work of art is also not lost on me so we can do without the strawmen, defensive replies (although your explanation of the girls being on skype was cute). I appreciate your sense of earnestness, sticking to the origins of each characters and standing by their united skin tones. Such a desire to keep faithful to Naoko's vision of Earth's mightiest heroes is admirable. However, we would be remiss as fans and adults who had 20+ years to think about the source material and not question her vision.

You asked the perfect question here:

And why would different planets = different races?


This is a simple question of biology and social structure. Race is determined by a myriad of factors, including a vast amount of time, evolution, and where a person comes from. It would be hard to justify that each planet that contains humanoid life forms in Naoko's universe would all appear in the same Caucasian mold. And this should make us question why Naoko chooses to represent the humanoid aliens as light skinned. We cannot simply be demure about such choices when we are aware of the science of our planet as well as the make-up of Sailor Moon's fanbase. Every year there are many cosplayers and fans of Sailor Moon made up of a hundred different ethnicities and skin tones who choose to dress up as the scouts or write their own fanfiction for Sailor Moon. Perhaps it isn't your prerogative to be pandered to as you put it, but when Naoko chooses to make only white heroes, she is invalidating the fans with darker skin.

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What concerns me when I look at Sailor Moon and its lack of diversity is that Takeuchi exploits her medium's penchent for white characters and actors and has not taken the last 20 years to grow as a person who has had a global platform since Sailor Moon's inception.
When Naoko started Sailor Moon, I doubt she realized it would become so huge internationally. So she decided to make everyone Japanese because that was her audience. It's incredibly presumptuous and insulting of you to think that just because she wants her characters to remain true to her original work, she has not grown as a person and is some kind of white-worshipper. Most artists are protective of their creations and attempts to drastically modify it.

I understood that all the characters were Japanese as a kid, albeit with weird hair and eye color. It was the only show back then with an Asian female cast on North American tv. Maybe it didn't matter to you that you can so casually dismiss it, but it was huge to me and my Asian friends. Even now, shows in the West lack strong female Asian characters. Changing the ethnicity of the Sailors only further reduces the Western media presence that female Asians have. There are a myriad of all-white shows out there, this is not the show to zone in on for changing ethnicity.

I'll just come out and say that people who have a problem with turning Johnny Storm black are racist.
The general public don't care about those changes because they have no connection to the characters. I don't care that Johnny Storm is now black because I didn't grow up with the character and he isn't iconic to me. Are there racists out there opposing "blackwashing"? Of course. But hardcore fans always have difficulty accepting huge image changes, just as they do when a male is changed into a female, a character is significantly aged, an ugly character changes to attractive, etc. People get worked up about things that are important to them.

If they wanted to add new characters, I'd be fine with that. I'd also be fine with an AU that changed the characters completely (i.e. Sailor Mercury would no longer be Ami Mizuno - like what they did with Saban Moon). However, the point of Sailor Moon Crystal is to present a more faithful adaptation of the manga than the original anime. Adding new characters or changing ethnicities would fly in the face of that objective.

Perhaps it isn't your prerogative to be pandered to as you put it, but when Naoko chooses to make only white heroes, she is invalidating the fans with darker skin.
Sailor Pluto is the Keeper of the Space-Time Door, that's pretty significant. You feel Naoko is invalidating dark skin, but that doesn't mean all dark-skinned fans feel that way. I don't.

This is a simple question of biology and social structure.
It really isn't - imaginary aliens do not need to follow the rules of human biology or evolution. They only need follow the rules that their creator puts forth. Whether you like Naoko's "whitewashing" of aliens, she likely used the same logic that explains why everything in the show happens in Japan.

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I don't see the lack of diversity here as a problem, per se'. It's silly that a supernatural conglomerate of galaxy-protecting superhumans would happen to all hail from the same tiny little part of the world, but that's a convention of pretty much every superhero story ever made.

But a more diverse cast could be more fun to watch. I could definitely see that working out well.

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Thank you very much for you response, and I love your username too! Just thought I would share that I agree with pretty much your entire post from the lack of diversity not necessarily being a problem to the convention of super hero stories. I think breaking convention is when we really advance our medium though and I think this is what rebooting Sailor Moon could have really looked forward to. We have female heroes, we have gay heroes, we have young and very old heroes, we have heroes from different parts of the galaxy! But we don't have heroes from different parts of the world. It's just really crazy to think about and fun to imagine if the story were more realistic

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Aw, thankyou, that is so sweet! I actually heard the phrase from this book Empress of the World, but since my name's Katrina I felt it'd fit me!

I'd love to see a diverse Sailor Moon. I mean, you have guardians hailing each from a different planet but none hail from a different nation?? So many different versions of Sailor Moon, it'd be great if we got one with a varied cast.

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I don't think you watch anime very much or you would not be asking this question...I am 1/4 African and 1/4 Japanese, and I feel bad about this lack of diversity at times as well. What you have to remember is there is no one that looks even remotely Japanese or human in most anime or mangas. The Anime/Manga industry and its graphics are heavily influenced by Western European-esque culture...their physical attributes anyway. This manga or anime is not based on reality, if it were it would not be as appealing and we would not even having this conversation....
The sad truth that it boils down to is a lot of self hatred in Japan....The story line is awesome....who cares what the characters look like.....would I really watch if a bunch of short realistic animations were dancing around on the screen in short skirts....probably not...The Sailor Senshi are aliens to our solar system.....but so what?......So Naoko has a dissociative ethnic identity, it made her rich and the world a little bit artistically fulfilled. It's basically a moot point. If you don't enjoy the lack of diversity Sailor Moon then why not create your own manga with your own distinct view of what the world should be like......if I felt as strongly I would.

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The OP is obviously a huge fan of Sailor Moon (check out some of their other posts) so I think they're probably pretty familiar with anime. But it's still really cool to imagine what Sailor Moon could have been like with a more ethnically rich cast. When you have so many different senshi, each with their own little style & spiel, it's a situation that practically screams out for some diversity. So that's probably why the topic comes up, diversity would suit Sailor Moon so smoothly.

And if we could create our own diverse manga as good as Sailor Moon, we totally would! Alas, not all of us are thusly gifted.

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you can't expect every show to cater to the rainbow. the creator comes from japan and applied japanese standards which is fairly homogeneous


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You realize that the creator is Japanese, hence why it's set in Japan? Kinda like why a lot of American super hero comics are set in America. I would find it extremely out of place if they did the reboot and set it in the middle of Europe, or anywhere in America.

Might I also add that you are wondering why there is lack of diversity in a show where everyone looks like they dropped molly, and have pink and blue hair.

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Might I also add that you are wondering why there is lack of diversity in a show where everyone looks like they dropped molly, and have pink and blue hair.

When people talk about wanting to see more diversity in media, realism is certainly a factor, but it goes far beyond that. When we consume this media it is sending us subliminal messages, it tells us we're human, it makes us feel like our voices are heard. So when most shows and most movies are predominantly centered around white people or light skinned people it sends a message to us that white people and/or light skinned people are more human and excludes everyone else.

I don't even see why this is something people want to argue against. What reason is there not to create more diverse films and tv shows? Sailor Moon included. I honestly can't think of one. And it's not like it isn't important. Racism is prevalent all around the world and the media that is created around the world has an effect on that. Does that mean you and I can't enjoy properties like Sailor Moon? Of course not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out these issues. Even in the things we love most there's almost always room for improvement. Pointing out a flaw isn't devaluing the work as a whole. Sailor Moon did a lot of good, it's just shame Crystal has tried staying so close to the source material that it couldn't bring much of it's own innovations.

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See that's the thing this is Naoko Takeuchi creation. She created this universe, and has to fight to keep it to her vision. The only reason she agreed to Crystal is so a series would come closer to her source material.

That being said the world is your oyster, go create something! What is stopping you from creating a group of diverse female superheroes?

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I think the point of contention here is how you are arguing. The creators have to be allowed to tell the stories they want. A story is a diverse cast is good, but so is a story with a cast of all one race, nationality, gender, sexuality, disability, etc. You have to let it be a fair chance. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but you have to let it exist and not try to shame it for it. The ugliest this gets is when it becomes a demand.

If someone goes down the road of not wanting things to be because the cast isn't a melting pool, or has a character be done in a way or stereotype they like, it just gets messy. You lose the ability to claim you fight for equality when your point boils down to "the artist shouldn't do what they want". That isn't an equal chance, it is a limitation.


After all our next question would have to be how diverse is diverse? Do you want all races represented in any cast? Or should it be nationality? Or the more direct nation, some people don't have state after all. In the gender room, we are counting Intersex people right? When it comes to sexuality, do we stop at opening in to LGBT? How about still more taboo subjects like incest, polygamy or pedophilia? What about including disabilities? Do we just include safe ones like the autistic or paraplegic? Or mental issues like split personalities and psychosis. How about genetic oddities? And speaking of with on size? Should all the characters be "healthy", or multiple body shapes? etc.

The above paragraph was meant in part to be hyperbole but also with a very strict point. To anyone reading this that wants work to show more "diversity", where are you markers? If I asked you to make a diverse cast, would someone described on this list still be able to say the cast isn't "diverse" enough? I bet they could. When you want diversity think about who that does or does not include.


Another major elephant in the room here is modern education isn't helping. There's way too much emphasis on voicing one's opinion and not enough on learning the actual history. You can't expect someone to be able to properly tell you what there is or isn't enough of when they've only dipped their toes in the pools. But that is trivial, there's never going to be enough of anything, we always can use a bigger library.

There never really has been a lack of creation, it's just a brutal lack of preservation. For many years one group made too many decisions and some stuff really could use more people to care to get it back into circulation. It's rather sad you don't see this point brought up to more. Whole swashes of oral tales, genre fiction, etc that we have proof existed are not in circulation today because the people doing that very important work are few and far between and not in the limelight. And what does get into circulation that isn't in the forefront is lazily being ignored by too many people. This is not conductive for any medium's history. Be it books, plays, movies, music, etc.

I would also think in the age of social media people would have a better rationale of marketing by now as well. Since I'm pretty sure there are lots of struggling artists that want to tell stories that may actually be diverse. But unfortunately there are whole swashes of people who think it's better to use the internet to show off what they don't know instead of trying to help themselves and others learn and explore more.

Until things like these actually get addressed, we aren't going to achieve much. I can lead horses to water, but they have to drink for themselves.

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