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Real Reason the New 'All That' ( 2001-2005) was bad


the new All that sucked is because some of those kids were just not funny and couldn't act. The acting seemed forced and they tried way too hard to be funny and it didn't come naturally.

The sketches themselves were actually good, but they should've hired kids who's acting was a lot more convincing rather than forced.

The only new actors I enjoyed watching from the newer version was Lisa Foiles and Giivanni Samuels. their mistake was getting rid of all the original actors. They should've at least kept Amanda Bynes and Leon ( they were both still young and were under 18 at the time)

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I second about keeping Leon and Amanda.

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I thought that they changed too much of the format from the first six seasons. What I mean is that they didn't do Vital Information until the very last season with Lil JJ, there was no "big ear of corn", there was no Kevin Kopelow as the stage manager, and no "Fresh out the box" at the start of the theme song. I mean, it was as if it was trying too hard to have its own "identity" even though it was technically still All That. I also felt that (at least in the first season of the relaunch) they relied too heavily on special guest stars. Not that the "golden age" didn't have its share of special guest stars, but it didn't feel like it was right in the forefront.

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They even botched Vital Information because Lil JJ was way too loud and forceful in his delivery (as if he was knowingly insulting you). What made the skit work (at least when Lori Beth Denberg was doing it) was that the person delivering it was very deadpan and dry.

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I never understood why they couldn't have gotten Lisa Foiles to do Vital Information!? Lisa among the Season 7-10 era cast is the one for whom I could've easily seen make it work.

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All of the above reasons are correct, and let’s just be honest and add one more: they needed more color. White people are only funny on a certain level! In the old All That, the humor had some range and that’s partially because the cast came from different ethnic backgrounds.

The new All That was too white, and was a one-trick pony: corny, zany, uncool humor.

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I always in the back of my mind, wanted to believe that the first revival of All That was a tad bit "white washed". People seem to forget that All That during its early years, had a very "hip-hop" edge or flavor to it. For one thing, virtually all of the musical guests came from rap or R&B. Also, when All That started, there seemed to be a conscientious effort made to have as ethnically diverse of a cast as possible. Like you had more people of color (Alisa, Angelique, Kenan, and Kel) than you did white people (Josh Server, Lori Beth Denberg, and Katrina Johnson were the only whites in the cast at the start).

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Exactly. I forgot about them having almost exclusively hip-hop and r&b guests. TLC did the theme song.

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To tell you the truth, Seasons 7-10 might as well have been So Random! (the off-shoot of Sonny with a Chance, which was pretty much Disney's All That), BEFORE So Random! was a thing!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/SoRandom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKejZrdxa60p

https://screenrant.com/nickelodeon-disney-shows-similarities-copied/

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The Sugar & Coffee skit, where Kyle Sullivan and Lisa Foiles played these hyper-active, manic TV show hosts was kind of emblematic of what was wrong with the "new" All That. It was pretty much their version of the Randy & Mandy skit but instead of overindulging in chocolate, they overindulged in well...you should already know by the title. The problem was that Sugar & Coffee was an extremely, and I mean extremely, one-note skit (the whole joke is that Kyle and Lisa are extremely manic and drink and eat a ton of sugar and coffee) that they stretched way too far. It got very repetitive very fast to put it in another way.

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I forgot about that skit. Yeah it was horrible. At least with the chocolate skits, they would smear chocolate all over their faces.

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This incarnation of All That really (I don't want to say jump the shark) hit creative low-point when they actually tried to recreate the Good Burger skit. They had Ryan Coleman try to act like Kel Mitchell acted and it just felt so wrong. I don't understand what the producers were thinking. I mean Good Burger is quite possibly, the most famous All That sketch and to just do it with somebody else as Ed, was just a tale-tell sign that they were really running out of ideas.

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And even the Randy & Mandy skit to the best of my recollection was may more subversive and imaginative than it had any right to be. Like there was one skit where Kenan Thompson had a toothache (obviously called by cavities) and pulled it out just so that he can continue eating chocolate.

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I also think that they relied too much on vulgarity and gross-out humor. Remember when the cast did the "On-Air Dare" in bumpers on SNICK? That pretty much says it all in terms of All That from that era being knee deep into gross-out humor. As I addressed to elsewhere, you in hindsight can tell that Seasons 7-10 had a lot of Dan Schneider's influence (i.e. loud, very bizarre, sometimes dark and mean-spirited comedy).

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I also believe that the 2002-05 run may have been a tad bit too on the nose when it came to mentioning then current popular culture. For example, they did a skit that spoofed the Osbournes around the same time that the MTV reality show was running. They also had a parody of American Idol called American Idiot. And then there was the Harry Potter parody, Harry Blotter (or something to that effect).

I don't recall All That in its first run, being so deliberate or obvious when mentioning pop culture. There was the Spice Boys but it wasn't a clear as day spoof of the Spice Girls. They had Katrina Johnson impersonate H. Ross Perot, but I doubt that most kids watching wouldn't immediately gotten that reference.

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I think that one problem with the 2002-2005 revival is that they didn't seem to have their own Kenan and Kel. What I mean is that there never seemed anybody who was indisputably the "backbone" (they were kind of to All That what Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi were to SNL during its early years) or main "faces" of the show (I guess Lisa Folies and Jack DeSena were the closest). I don't think that they even had a Lori Beth Denberg, who was kind of the Phil Hartman of All That in that she was more or less the "glue".

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I think that older fans didn't care much about the 2002-2005 run because All That before that was really a show that both teenagers and pre-teens could enjoy. I mean, Lori Beth Denberg and Gabriel Iglesias weren't exactly "kids" when they started on All That. Katrina Johnson (at first), Amanda Bynes, Mark Saul, and Leon Frierson were the only cast members during the "golden age" who truly (at least in my eyes) didn't look remotely mature. My point is that I suspect that the relaunch came across as way too "kiddie" and not as broadly appealing.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140403191256/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3114981-all-that-welcome-to-good-burger/page-3#entry2850773

Biggest mistake of the new All That? Thinking youth= precociousness= talent.

Like it's been said before the old cast was semi-older teens and were more or less honing their talent whereas now these zygotes can barely act and rely more on either being "cute" or on off-the-wall humor that I think is probably dumb even for the age group they're going for.

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