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There Are A Lot Of Holes In This Film

posted 14 years ago by nike_jumpman_23
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First off let me say that this was still a good film, but there were a lot of simple holes such as...

1- Him faking his own death, pretty much impossible.

2- When Jack got the phone call about the bus being strapped with a bomb, the first thing he would have realistically done, would have been to call his own police department rather than to take on the bus by himself.

3- Later toward the middle of the film, when they got to the airport, sure the choppers were gone, so Payne wouldn't have been able to see the bus from the outside via the news channels, but he still had the camera on the inside, and he would have been able to see Jack coming back into the bus from the bottom, and know he was trying to disarm it and he probably would have blown it up.

4- Farther along in the movie, there is no possible way that Payne and Annie know one another's names, yet they clearly address eachother by name.

There are a couple more that I saw while I was watching it but I can't remember them all right now.

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[–] KnowTheScore 14 years ago

I'd say the entire scene where Jack confronts Payne. There's no way he'd just confront someone who just committed that big of a crime in "Rambo like" fashion, and then get rewarded for it. If he had actually used his radio, they could have trapped him in the building.

If anything, he made it easier for Payne to get away. He'd be demerited or fired. What's more, Harry, who is supposed to be older and wiser, just sort of went along with it.

[–] Merrida 14 years ago

I disagree with all of this.

From the beginning of the movie, Jack sets his character up to be what the other poster referred to as a "Rambo" type. In the elevator shaft scene, he clearly shows he does without checking with the team, he's good enough at what he does that Harry, and the team, trust him and his judgment to get to the meat of the issue, even if his tactics are unorthodox and he no doubt would get written up for some of the antics.

Also yes, it IS possible for that scene to occur where Jack and Harry seem to "trap" the guy who runs into the garage and the garage seems to blow. He planned in advance for this possibility. It would take pre-set explosives with low detonation blast zones and sufficient debris to fire away from the garage. He obviously did not detonate the dummy explosives on his own body. I had absolutely no problem suspending my disbelief here.
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[–] oystergirl94 13 years ago

Number 4. I see what you're saying, but theoretically they could have learned each other's names during a scene that takes place somewhere apart from them.

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[–] ebossert 13 years ago

The big one is when Jack runs up to the bus and hits the door window, cracking it. The bus driver gets scared and drives off without stopping. Jack then carjacks a car with his gun and pursues the bus.

Question: Why didn't Jack just shoot out the tires of the bus (with his gun) instead of letting it drive away and pick up speed?

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[–] Stratego 13 years ago

Because maybe then the bus could get in a terrible accident leaving people dead? You don't honestly believe that the bus would slowly come to a calm standstill on the middle of the freeway if you shoot out the tires, do you? The risk of a crash happening is very high.

[–] ebossert 13 years ago

The bus was going about 5 miles per hour.

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[–] Stratego 13 years ago

Don't exaggerate, the bus was definitely going more than 5 miles per hour when it drove away from Jack. The traffic had all cleared. But even if it did go that slow, so what? There's still a big chance of an accident happening. The driver could lose control of the bus, it could tilt over or slip. And even if it did come to a perfect stop without incidents, it's standing on a free way, multiple vehicles could crash into it or when trying to avoid it. And what if Jack missed, the bullet could go through the bus or ricochet and seriously hurt someone. There were just too many risks. Jack, being a good cop, didn't want to put more people in danger.

[–] armenianmovieman 13 years ago

I have no doubt Howard Payne would blow it anyway if he saw (REMEMBER THE CAMERA?) everyone walking out in an organized fashion.

[–] Stratego 13 years ago

Sure, but Jack didn't know that at the time, so he COULD have considered the possibility. I just don't think he would have thought that shooting out the tires of a moving bus on the freeway would be a good idea.

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[–] johnneypickles 9 years ago

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111257/faq?ref_=tt_faq_1#.2.1.16

[–] fatelovesthefearless 8 years ago

Because it would be a very short movie then lol

[–] Koosh_King01 12 years ago

1. It's implied he used the corpse of the dead workman he killed to provide the body parts.

2. He wanted to get to the bus and warn the driver before it accelerated past fifty. His original plan was to stop the whole thing before it even got started.

3. The camera only allows Payne to see the interior of the bus looking down the aisle, facing the back. All Payne would see is Annie and the others looking out the front and back. There'd be no reason to suspect Jack had gone underneath the bus.

5. Jack could've told Annie Payne's name. Conversely, after kidnapping her, Payne could've introduced himself and asked Annie her name.

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[–] ShizaMinelli 12 years ago

" 1. It's implied he used the corpse of the dead workman he killed to provide the body parts."

Little things like this remind me that I have some very stupid moments and keep me grounded lol...seems so obvious but this actually did not occur to me at all until I read your reply. (No sarcasm, I genuinely feel like an almost 2-decade blond moment just happened lol)

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

what about the camera Hopper has on the bus sure that wouldn't be still working which would tip him off something was up

The police were still transmitting their own loop footage at that point.

I guess the media were asked to keep quiet, for the sake of the investigation. Even if people at the airport saw the explosion, I doubt that news would already have reached Hopper.

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

It would definitely be different today.

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

True, especially horror movies

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

Those are ways to handle it, but it gets a little contrived if you do that in every movie. The world has changed quite a bit in 20 years due to modern technology.