I've seen this movie a few times and the entire story line insults me. I am from the mountains of North Carolina. (It was actually filmed in the town next to mine.) This movie makes us all look like backwoods hicks. I can't believe people watching this movie could actually believe there are people like Nell living in the woods, in complete isolation. Nell and the characters of the town greatly misrepresent all of us living in Western North Carolina. Does this movie insult anyone else?
I never considered this as insulting nor as representing people in North Carolina. I think you're being overly sensitive. I do understand - there have been representations of southerners as slow hicks. But if you think about it, every region in the U.S. has this kind of thing. We all have our idiots.
I'm in California. Over the years, I've seen us represented as swinging junkies, flower children, sex addicts... all manner of things. New Yorkers have been represented as selfish, mean-spirited, greedy, and uncaring.
Eastern coasters are sometimes represented as greedy, snobbish bluebloods.
People in the north have been represented as slow, excentric, and completely disconnected from others.
People in Wyoming and Montana have been represented as White Supremacists and survivalists.
People in the corn belt have been represented as ignorant, closed-minded, and staunchly religious.
These are the only insulting representations that I can think of off the bat. But I always see it as entertainment and never consider that anyone is actually influenced by such representations.
I also live in WNC but can't say I was offended by this movie at all. As others have pointed out, the doctor, sheriff, etc. represent some of the good people that live here, while the hicks in the poolhall are a fairly accurate portrayl of many of the people I've met around here, and elsewhere throughout the country. With that said I think Appalachia and the South more broadly are stereotyped more negatively than most other regions of the country, some of which is justified, but much of it isn't.
Redeemer's girl, why do you have such hatred towards the hippies that have moved to Asheville? While they may dress differently and have a different outlook on life, I think Asheville would be much worse off without them than it is with them. These same people are the artists, writers, musicians, etc. that has made Asheville into a cultural center for the Southeast, and increased the amount of tourist revenue that benefits all of us that live here (even if we get frustrated with the slow drivers from FL, LOL). I personally have more of a problem with the rich folks that have moved in and driven up the property values around here. They move here b/c they love the "natural beauty" of the area, but then they cut it all down to build a second home w/ a mountain view. I've always found it amusing how people that have moved here (i.e. both of us) can still complain about other people moving in. We're both contributing to the same problem.
I'll give you that along with these creative types, there does seem to have been an increase in violent crime downtown since I've moved up here. I think it's basically the Haight-Ashbury syndrome. Lots of creative people move to an area, and generally accomplish a lot of good for the town as a whole (if you look around at the shops and resturants downtown, much of the economic revitalization that has occurred there and in W. Asheville has been done by the same hippies that you seem to loath so much), but then you tend to get an influx of people who are only interested in getting high, partying, etc. The plight of many of the homeless youth in the city is really a sad thing. Most are good, idealistic kids that've just made some really dumb choices, but unfortunately there are always going to be some bad apples, whether they have dreds and tattoos or crewcuts and overalls.
"Redeemer's girl, why do you have such hatred towards the hippies that have moved to Asheville? "--ragilmer
No,no--no hatred or loathing for these downtown parasites. Disdain, yes. Disgust, surely. Anger, definitely. However, I'm certainly not suggesting we get out the torches and pitchforks to run them out of town or anything; they have presented a unique sort of "freak show" that tourists seem to eat up and drive through to see, and, as you pointed out, Asheville does depend largely on the tourist flow for income. But that certainly doesn't mean I have to accept and/or tolerate the arrogant and sometimes downright evil egocentricity of all those self-proclaimed "artists" that infest downtown. The homeless division is not included in that particular grouping, I must add; I am referring only to those who seem to believe they exist simply to prove that they are much more culturally advanced that all the rest of us plebians and delight in trying to adopt a snooty "poor-thing-you-just-can't-grasp-art-can-you?" attitude while exuding a cloud of noxiousness that could fell vultures; or to those fighting to rent McCormick Field to have the largest wiccan/pagan gathering in the Southeast, only to set the field on fire (on the upside, that type of activity has since been prohibited as a result); or those that charged almost **$300k** to erect that huge rusty junkyard POS in front of the Federal Building in the name of "art" and the "cultural melting pot"; or those whose previous actions have forced the Humane Society and the ACN to forbid the sale of any solid black or solid white animals during the month of October due to the discovery of horrific sacrificial acts attributed to satanic worship committed in the recent past... I probably don't need to go on, my guess is you get my drift.
I've worked in the Federal Building downtown for the last 5 years and have, literally, a front row view via a huge picture window. Occasionally, we will sit and gawk in horrified amazement at the goings-on, most especially during Bele Cher, July 4th, or any opportunity that is given for people to gather in the downtown streets. Last year, we watched an entire group of black-clad, bechained, pierced and painted "good, idealistic kids" waving a large black banner/flag with a huge pentagram on it while drumming and dancing down the street, singing honors to the "dark god" and yelling jeering insults at all who even looked at them with anything bordering disapproval.
The increase in violent crime you think seems to have happened has most definitely happened and continues to do so; our high schools--even Asheville Mall!--are slowly becoming war zones. There is more and more a huge lack of any type of respect from the "college crowd", the Ukranian, Vietnamese and Hispanic minorites are expanding in an unprecedented pace--not an issue in itself, but sadly, they are bringing their own forms of "mafias" into being here, with more and more aggression within the schools as well as a major hike in drug use. (Citing source: my son and other ACR students, TCR students and Owen students.)
And, btw, I must respectfully point out that it isn't just the "rich folks" who've driven up the property values, it's *all* of the transplants, over the past 10-15 years especially, us included. As I mentioned, Buncombe was and still is one of the top 5 fastest growing counties in the entire nation per recent real estate reports. People are pouring in here--not just to have second homes, but to try and catch the wave early of a town rapidly screaming into cityhood. (Hmmm...can we say "carpet-baggers"? LOL) By forcing the property values up, it has caused many familes to have to sell land that has been in their families for generations because they can no longer afford the taxes. (I remember when I first moved here in the early '90s, one was warned not to drive into the Leicester/Sandy Mush/Doggett Valley area with out-of-state plates on one's car, or the real risk existed of being shot at by the locals.) AND the Buncombe County property taxes are currently in re-evaluation again, with expectations of doubling and in some cases, even tripling. Swannanoa is trembling and looking over its group shoulder, as the latest news is that it will be annexed into Asheville within the next 3-5 years, forcing the current home and land owners to pay even more taxes since it will then be within city limits.
I do disagree that the renewal of downtown has been accomplished by those who are lost-in-time Deadheads once removed, though. If you're referring to the Grove Arcade and such, that was accomplished by big corporate money sniffing around for an opportunity to make even more money, and they found easy targets. The Interstate Motel has been sold and turned into condos, yes; because of progress amongst the artsy-fartsy group? Partly. And partly to stop the local prostitutes from utilizing it as a "home base" for business(hence the notorious nickname, The Intercourse Motel). Word is they've moved over to the Days Inn at the end of Otis Street...but I digress.
The "natural beauty" clearing is now to be coming with a price and has been designed to slow down the mutilation of the forestry; they are entertaining the incorporation of a "view tax" (and a hefty one at that!) to try and protect against ridge-clearing.
I do everything within my power to stay out of downtown Asheville other than to get to work. (They've once again put the kibosh on the new parking garage, I've heard, so the downtown parking atrocity will apparently remain as such for awhile longer.) I love the rest of the area and hope to eventually build a house--although definitely OUTSIDE Buncombe county and away from this Asheville-monster with the insatiable appetite; still, the cesspool that exists just outside as I type this is mutating into something I wish only to distance myself from just as soon as finances permit.
In looking at myself honestly, I think the only problem I am contributing to is refusing to spend my money downtown. I do bathe daily; I do my very best to be kind to everyone even if what they're doing and the disrespect they're flaunting strips my soul with sheer fury; I believe in the one true God, His son and our Savior, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but I do *not* stand on a street corner and slap passers-by in the face with my Bible(www.notreligion.com) as people following these other "paths" have been doing with their beliefs; and I wind up contributing and donating even to those who feel they are owed being taken care of because their "creativity" has purchased that entitlement when I would rather remove the metal from their faces, force them into a shower to slough off that "natural scent" they think is so aphrodisiacal.
I filterlessly chose to vent the frustrations I feel of a beautiful city swirling into chaos on this board due to a kneejerk reaction. I have already been beset by guilt for my previous outspokenness, but the facts are still the facts: and as Jeff Dunham's Peanut says: "Polish a turd, it's still a turd".
(BTW, the FL drivers are slow mostly because most of 'em are old enough that they can't really see over the steering wheel and *any* type of incline is a new and undiscovered beast. LOL Watch out for Broughton escapees during the rain, too. ;-D)
LMAO, I'd have to agree with you about the sculpture in front of the federal building, WTF is that supposed to symbolize anyway? While I wasn't aware of any animal sacrifices or satanic marches downtown, I think I can safely assure you that the participants only constitute a small segment of the "freak" population in the area. Most of them are vegetarians anyway, so I can't really see them killing dogs and cats to appease the Dark Prince's cravings (LOL). I wasn't so much refering to the Grove Arcade (which from what I understand isn't really doing that well anyway, considering most of the shops sell $15,000 bronze elephant statues and $11,000 crystals, etc.) but more the small businesses and restuarants on N. Lexington, Patton, Haywood rd in W. Asheville. Sadly these are almost all low-pay, seasonal service sector jobs, while what we really need here is stable employment with good benefits that isn't so much dependant on summer crowds (but since all the extractive industries and mills have moved out, service jobs are about all that's left, so I guess it's better than nothing--not that I'm a big fan of heavy logging or mining either). Sadly I think America as a whole is losing its manufacturing jobs and rapidly becoming a nation of waiters and retail clerks, thanks to NAFTA and other euphamistically named "free" trade agreements. As far as the violence is concerned, when my wife and I moved here a few years ago there had just been a shooting at a nightclub somewhere downtown. WLOS went on and on about it for like two weeks, which we took as a great sign that things like that were rare enough to make the news here. We moved up here from Baton Rouge, where shootings rarely even made the news and we heard gunfights about once a week. It does seem like that's beginning to change here though. Not only does there seem to be an upsurge in violence, but also the media seems to be more complacent about it. While I like having all the hippies downtown, it's certainly not the only thing I love about the city and this area. As far as the city's concerned it has some of the most beautiful architecture of any place I've been to, and it has a downtown that people actually walk around in and shop (unlike so many other towns across the US, where we just drive our cars to monotonous stripmalls that look the same regardless of what region you're in). People seem to really care about living in Asheville and wanting to make the city a better place to live. While we might not all share the same vision of what it should be like, the fact that so many people (including us transplants) care about it is something that's increasingly rare in our highly mobile culture. Speaking of, we'll unfortunately be moving to the frozen north (minnesota) this summer for grad school, so that'll free up a little space around here. Hope you enjoyed Nell :o)
Yeah, I did, I really did. Did you? (I didn't pay attention to that in your initial response any more than you did to mine. LOL)
I'm envious of your move, I truly am. I'm originally from Chicago, my husband is from Massachusetts and we are all about snow and the like, wish we could have it almost year round. (I know, that makes us freaks in our own right, so who am I to talk, huh? LOL) If we weren't shackled to this area for at least the next 10 years, we could wind up neighbors, as Minnesota's one of the places he and I had seriously considered. ;-D
We should have lunch before you leave--but, erm...not in Asheville; maybe out in Black Mountain or something, huh? ;-D
I'm from Western North Carolina...born and raised there. I found NOTHING, to be offensive to me in this movie. I love it. -------------------------------------- Turd Ferguson...enough said.
I think if anything insulted me, which it really didn't, it was the ridiculous accent that Natasha Richardson had in the movie, it was awful. I'm from the Piedmont area of NC, born and raised here and I'm not leaving, and I have spent a lot time in the NC mountains.
PLEASE, If anyone gets a bad rep, its people from louisiana. Sure I dont know that I need to capitalize the first letter in our states name, but we're not total idiots!
You don't see the efforts of the Liam Neeson character as inspiring? Granted, he was a "transplanted" North Carolinian, but he had complete devotion to his patients (portrayed at the very beginning of the film) as well as to Nell's welfare.
And how about the sherrif and his wife? The sherrif was not only shown as very tender to his delicate wife (a postition you're unlikely to see a law enforcement officer shown in, in ANY part of the country) but also his devotion to her welfare, and we're led to believe, their CONTINUED support of Nell in the epilog.
Dramatic tension is necessary in any story, and is provided by the bad guys, in this case the evil researchers and the brutal lunkheads from the local bar. But those are characters you could pick up anywhere, not only in "Hicksville."
Take a deep breath. This film was far kinder to your state and those in it than you apparently think.
Honestly. Get real. I lived in North Carolina for a large majority of my younger life. It doesn't insult anyone. If it does you're way too oversensitive.
Man, I can't understand this "ldrye" person, he seems to be speaking in a bizarre pidgen with a hint of some manner of speech impediment. I could make out the words "ien-sult"... I think.... OH, of course, he's from North Carolina. Wow, he's kinda huffy for a backwards wood sprite, at least Nell helped us come to terms with stuff and feel good, this one is saucier and grumpy.