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Shoplifting laws in Australia


The store detective who arrested Muriel at the wedding -- how did she get away with that accusation? Why was the law automatically on the detective's side? Muriel was presumed guilty. Neither did they cut her mother any slack for forgetting to pay for the shoes. If you can call them "shoes". They looked more like crappy $2 cheap plastic flipflops, and the price on them was something like $8! Couldn't the store detective have stopped the mother before she left the store and reminded her to pay? To my American point of view, it all seems so wrong. Is everyone in Australia guilty until proven innocent?

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No we aren't - Muriel should have told the detective to "sod off".... :)

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I guarantee you worse has happened in America... people getting shot for stealing candy bars, etc. And store owners are "in the right?"

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ricklthefox, I'm not sure what point you were trying to get across, but your rant about blacks vs. whites came off terribly ignorant. You might want to clarify what you were really trying to say.

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Haha possibly most contradictory post ever..

"I see you are a victim of the "Hate America" club." ----->

"BTW , aren't all you Aussies just criminals from England?"

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"BTW , aren't all you Aussies just criminals from England? "

Yep, and proud of it, as*hole.

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So, I guess that means that it was just a movie type plot point. Not really true to life. I mean, so what if she can't find a receipt. That doesn't prove she stole the dress.



Sedagive?!!!

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I always wondered if Muriel actually stole the dress, I just cant see her picking out a dress and just stealing it. It seems so odd.

If you are thinking of seeing this movie alone... DONT!

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- she was a compulsive liar! Of course she stole the dress.

"I need sex for a clear complexion... but I'd rather do it for love!" - Joan Crawford.

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I always wondered if Muriel actually stole the dress, I just cant see her picking out a dress and just stealing it. It seems so odd.

They made it pretty clear that she stole it. When questioned, she said she got the money for it from her mother, but then her mother said no she didn't. That's not the only time we saw her lie or steal. She stole a much greater sum from her parents to go to Hibiscus Island. She needed a dress for the wedding, she didn't have the money, so she stole it.


You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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It's a shame the sour faced old crone who dobbed in both Muriel and her mother for shoplifting (Muriel did steal the dress, her mother just forgot to pay for those shoes) felt the need to pay attention to the wrongdoings of others but not her family's. Her cousin Chook (Tania's husband) was accused of raping a woman. Wonder if she had a problem with that.

"When we make mistakes, it's evil. When God makes mistakes, it's nature."

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Uh, she felt the need to turn in people for shoplifting because it's her JOB.
And if someone doesn't want to get arrested for shoplifting shoes, don't put them on before paying for them.

You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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Uh, how was it her job?

"When we make mistakes, it's evil. When God makes mistakes, it's nature."

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As noted in the OP, the woman was a store detective. It WAS her job to catch people who had stolen from the store, and that was stated clearly in the movie. Both Muriel and her mother took things without paying for them, and it was her job to turn them in. Calling someone miserable and a hypocrite for doing her job, makes no sense.

You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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I never got that it was her job. I just got the impression she had too much time on her hands.

Don't let anyone ever make you feel like you don't deserve what you want.

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I never got that it was her job. I just got the impression she had too much time on her hands.

Don't let anyone ever make you feel like you don't deserve what you want.

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I never got that it was her job.

They made it clear. The woman actually states that she is a store detective.


You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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I don't know. The store would have to prove that she took the dress and I'm sure Muriel didn't have any tell tale tags, etc. to prove that she stole it without paying. So, unless she was on film being seen taking the dress, that case would have been thrown out and I'm sure Muriel's father should have known that. Two words would have sufficed: Prove it.

And as for the mother The Detective clearly had seen that Betty was in Fartland when she exchanged shoes, so she should have cut her some slack. Betty's mistake was leaving her shoes at the shelf, but again, she was in Fartland. But The Detective should have given her the chance to pay. All Betty had to say was "Oh, I meant to pay and here's the money..." while going into her bag. Crikey, it was a damn pair of resin flip flops, not the end of the world.

But I think that being Muriel got off on the stolen dress caper by Bill bribing the two coppies, Miss Store Detective was pi**ed off and decided to take it out on poor, hapless, Biscuit Head Betty!

But this is in America. So, I don't know the Australian laws.

Someone fill me in!

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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I think the store detective liked her job a little too much.

It was obvious from the snooty expression she always had on her face.


-Amanda


"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales in storybooks written by rabbits"

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I agree. I think it was telling the way she was so pleased when she caught Muriel at the wedding wearing the dress and says something about her having a perfect record in catching shoplifters before she escaped from her. I'm sure she didn't want Betty to get away either.

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The presumption of innocence, as prescribed in the Bill of Rights is a myth. If it ever really existed in America it sure doesn't now, UNLESS you're rich.

Witnesses, jurors, and the general public tend to assume that if someone was charged, or arrested, they must be guilty. Cops don't just go around arresting innocent people, fabricating police reports, lying on the witness stand, do they?
You bet your ass they do, in every court house in America.

If you're rich you can hire a good lawyer. If you can't afford a lawyer one will be appointed for you. BUT that public pretended is paid from the same source that pays the prosecutor who's trying to send you to jail. So how good is his defense going to be?

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Cops R worthless!

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It is just a film.

In reality no, Australia takes after America in many ways including the law.

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In the movie purely as a plot device she can get away with that accusation, as it is a movie and they take creative license.

In real life in Australia, in the shoes situation the store dectective would've politely stopped Mureil's mother and reminded her to pay. After all, they were only a cheap pair of plastic shoes worth like $5, hardly a pair of Louboutins. IRL, she would've been stopped and asked to pay.
As for the dress, same deal, Muriel would've been asked to pay if she was caught at the store shoplifting. Otherwise, unless she was caught on camera stealing the dress, there was no proof. Depending on how long ago Muriel took the dress to how long the wedding was,it's entirely plausible that, if Muriel had no intention of returning the dress (if she did really buy it), then she would have just thrown out the reciept. It would have been an innocent until proven guilty and things like that are hard to prove unless she was caught on camera or a gazillion eye witnesses came forward. However, if the dress was an expensive, boutique $200+ dress then the cops would've tried a bit harder to prove her guilt.

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It was just done for the benefit of the film/plot. In reality, it would have been completely different.

"BTW , aren't all you Aussies just criminals from England? "

Yep, and proud of it, as*hole.


That's not something to be proud of. A convict background is embarrassing! Having said that, I think there are very few Australian's left that actually have convict blood in them. It's all been bred out.

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Actually... a lot of people are proud of their convict heritage... Just because people were transported out to Australia didn't mean that they were hard core criminals! Many people were sent to Australia simply for stealing a loaf of bread... because they were hungry! Most of the hard core criminals would have been hung.

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