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Were they on a break?.....Who cares.


It is irrelevant regardless. If you have sex with another person just 5 hours after an argument and break or break up you've pretty much ruined your chances of getting back together or staying together. Even if Ross legally had the freedom to do what he did by saying it was an official break up, it kind of doesn't matter because no woman is going to still want to be with you then.

For that reason it always bored me with they themselves or the Friends online fans argued endlessly over the concept of "was it a break....were they broken up". It doesn't matter. If you screw another woman five hours after a break or a break up no woman is going to want to be with you 15 hours after the break/break up.

Just had to say it.

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A lot of dudes go for rebounds after hard breakups. I don't see the issue with it. Ross' mistake was going around town, trying to keep the whole thing under wraps instead of being honest about it. Rachel's mistake was that she didn't know what the hell she wanted and didn't understand that her actions had consequences. They both made mistakes by not going over exactly what this "break" entailed. How long was it supposed to be? Could they see other people during it? Why do this instead of breaking things off completely?

I hated both characters, by the way. They deserved each other in the end.

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"A lot of dudes go for rebounds after hard breakups"

So? Who cares. That has nothing to do with their girlfriends taking them back less than 24 hours after they've had their rebound sex. I know I wouldn't want my girl back if I knew she had had sex with someone else just 12 hours earlier. No thanks.

Your observation has nothing to do with whether or not the Rachel character would still want to be in an intimate relationship with Ross. "Was it a break or wasn't it" was irrelevant to whether they were going to stay together.

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My argument is that she should have seen that coming because it's a normal response. It's like poking a dog with a stick and being surprised if the dog bites you. Sure, most people don't want to be bitten, so logic dictates you don't give the dog a reason to bite. Either she has the break with the high possibility that he will fuck some other chick or she doesn't have a break because she doesn't want him to fuck another woman. If the two weren't idiots, it never would have happened to begin with.

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What you're talking about is college freshman like behavior, when two 19 year olds break up after a few months of dating. Not an almost 30 year old man who's been dating the girl he supposedly loved since high school for a year. That's immature and pathetic.

And high possibility? Really? To sleep with the first girl that comes on to you like 2 hours later? If it had a few days, hell, even one, maybe youd have a small point, but Rachel should expect Ross would sleep with some random girl like two hours later? No.

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It was much longer than two hours, I think. There was enough time for Ross and the guys to go out, for that one co-worker to show up at Rachel's apartment, for Ross to call Rachel, and then for him to go off with the copy shop woman.

As for rebounds, some people use sexual release to deal with emotional pain. I never went on a rebound on the same night as a breakup, but I understand if Ross needed a one night stand to feel good at that moment. I'd also understand if Rachel did as well.

I do agree that Ross was immature, though.

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It was tough to go over it when Ross immediately stormed out before she could say anything.

As for why do this? That's just a dumb question honestly. A break can be a good thing to have. Both people can take a little time from each other, cool down, think about things, and decide if they want to continue the relationship. They clearly both still loved each other, so just ending it completely right then would be stupid and shortsighted.

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Obviously a break in a relationship could be a good idea. The reason why I said they should have asked the question is because neither character communicated what exactly they wanted, so of course they should sit down and discuss the reasons behind it. You can't just say "We're on a break" and expect any sort of growth or problems to be solved. Maybe if they talked it through, they could have seen that it was better to break u completely. Or maybe they didn't need a break after all. And certainly, if they agreed on the break, they should sit down and discuss the details of said break and what they expect from one another.

It comes down to expecting adults to be adults. I'm not sure why that's a hard concept to grasp.

(EDIT: As for loving each other, I never bought it that they loved each other and I never understood why this was considered one of the greatest romances on American TV. They are both immature, self-absorbed sociopaths that constantly manipulated each other.)

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I agree, they should've both sat down and discuss what exactly they wanted. Rachel said she wanted a break, but apparently she regretted it the next day. There were a lot of things said and done in the heat of the moment.

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I knew a guy who would call up his girlfriend and break up with her over the phone so he could have a fling, and this to him didn't constitute cheating. A week later they would reconcile. Amazingly, she put up with that crap for years.

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I remember the IMDb days on this board and it was nuts!
Those Ross defenders were particularly rabid, saying Rachel had encouraged him to believe she was with Mark.
I agree with you, whether it was a temporary break or a permanent split he still shagged someone 5 hours later. Hardly the actions of the heartbroken in the eyes of the other party.

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Hell no, obsessive Rachel fan imaneassi was the craziest of them all.

Rachel letting Mark into the apartment and then lying about it definitely did contribute to the whole situation.

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You are right, it never mattered. Their relationship had become pretty unhealthy. If it hadn't, they never would have fallen into that situation. So on a break or not, they were done by that point (even if not officially).

Also, even if Ross technically cheated (which I don't defend), Rachael played her part in ending things as well.

I wish Ross had grown some more instead of totally devolving. It would be cool to say that they both had to grow to be right for each other and have a healthy functioning relationship. Not totally sure I would say Rachael ever really got there, but Ross defiantly never did. So I find it hard to be thrilled that they ended up together in the end. But hey, maybe they deserved each-other.

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I understand Rachel not liking the idea that Ross gave up on their relationship so quickly and slept with somebody else so soon, even though he thought it was over and she was sleeping with another man. BUT she called him a cheater and as far as Ross was concerned that simply wasn't true.

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It's funny. The older I get, the more I change my mind on who was right on this issue.

When the show first aired, I sympathised with Ross. My logic being that as far as he was concerned, the relationship was over. Rachel was the one who said she wanted a break, so why shouldn't he be out seeing other people?

However, nowadays watching the episodes back, I'd see why Rachel was upset. Firstly, Ross was the one who was being over-jealous of her relationship with a guy at work. (Which ended up being nothing sexual.) That's what had lead to the argument in the first place. And yes, Rachel did say she thought they should have a break. But Ross' jumping straight into bed with someone else reeked of him not taking his current relationship seriously. As fans, we can see that Ross was upset, drunk and the fling was just a rebound thing because he was hurt. But how would it have looked to Rachel? A few hours after breaking up, he's in bed with somebody else. He didn't wait to see if it was something she'd said in anger, or in the heat of the moment. From her perspective, he was straight into bed with someone else. Almost as if he did it the second the thought he had permission.

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You said you used to side with Ross. I kind of side with each of them. I side with Ross against the accusation he "cheated" or had an 'affair".

I side with Rachel because he had sex. I would not take back a girlfriend if they screwed another person during a 12 hour break. I would be disgusted.

I agree with Rachel for ending things but it wasn't "cheating".

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Well I think Rachel did not have the virtue to maintain the position she took. She had sex with at least two other people before the event and after the show started. It’s weird because she described that she had passionate sex with palo so her reaction to Ross having sex during their break seemed like someone who had more virtue than Rachel did.

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How is having sex with someone else before she dated Ross the same as Ross having sex with someone 3 hours after they broke up?

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