Who is the Protagonist of this movie?
Who is the Protagonist of this movie?
sharethere isn't one. unfortunately. i know that i am in the minority here, but while i enjoyed the film, and while i also understand that it is supposed to be a dark comedy, the lead up to the ending and the actual ending disappointed me. until a certain moment douglas' character was simply a dude that was fed up with getting crapped upon and completely lost it. to me it was a copout in the final act to reveal him to be an unstable character to begin with and end it the way it it. very safe ending as well and it makes the overall buildup a bit meaningless. i would not insist on some giant twist or him eventually getting away with it. an different third act and an open ending would have been powerful enough, but ending with "oh, well. he was a psycho/douchebag anyways", is just something cowardly to come up with.
shareI think it was clear he was unhinged very early on. To begin with, his wife has a restraining order against him and the whole reason he had to go to the Korean-owned shop was because he ran out of change after repeatedly calling his wife, which, in many states, is considered a misdemeanor crime of harassment or threatening behavior. And very early in the film, he pulls out a sub machine gun in a fast food restaurant and terrorizes the clientele and staff because he's mad they are serving lunch instead of breakfast.
I agree with you that maybe the film, as entertaining as it is, suffers from some flops in writing because so many people view D-Fens as a likable anti-hero.
"I think it was clear he was unhinged very early on."
i would not say clear at all.
"To begin with, his wife has a restraining order against him"
sometimes there are two sides to a story. also it has been a while since i saw it, but i am not sure that's accurate, especially since you are wrong about the next part. he repeatedly called his wife, yes. was a restraining order mentioned at that point. i don't know.
"And very early in the film, he pulls out a sub machine gun in a fast food restaurant and terrorizes the clientele and staff because he's mad they are serving lunch instead of breakfast. "
no, he lost it, because they refused to sell him breakfast a couple of minutes after the deadline for breakfast orders, which indeed is bs. they still had all the ingredients. as i said, it has been a while, but it could have been 1 or 2 minutes. didn't he also have to wait in line, meaning he was there, before the deadline?
"I agree with you that maybe the film, as entertaining as it is, suffers from some flops in writing because so many people view D-Fens as a likable anti-hero. "
it absolutely does, but i would go as far as saying that the ending does not even match the rest of the film. why build him up as a relatable anti-hero, to tear it down at the end, except for being to cowardly to go through with that concept?
did you see the brilliant, yet completely unknown "he was a quiet man"? it has some similarities, but more well rounded. the ending, which i don't want to spoil for you, makes total sense in regards of the buildup, because it really shows the characters deficits early on and builds them up simultaniously with the anti-hero buildup, but dFens is totally relatable up to a certain point and then ... nah, y'all wrong, he's a simple douchebag psycho. how does that even make sense?
no, he lost it, because they refused to sell him breakfast a couple of minutes after the deadline for breakfast orders, which indeed is bs. they still had all the ingredients. as i said, it has been a while, but it could have been 1 or 2 minutes. didn't he also have to wait in line, meaning he was there, before the deadline?
but i would go as far as saying that the ending does not even match the rest of the film. why build him up as a relatable anti-hero, to tear it down at the end, except for being to cowardly to go through with that concept?
It depends on the situation.
In some cases, Bill himself serves as the protagonist. In particular, the situation in the park when the bangers come up and start hassling him, and he fends them off. Then a bit later, when they do a drive-by on the street and he walks over and shoots one in the leg, vigilante style. It's hard to say he's really acting like a "bad guy" in those situations.
When the beggar comes up to him and starts shaking him down for money, and Bill begins tossing it back at him, and leaves him with the empty suitcase, that's probably endearing to the audience.
The golf course scene, where he scares the crap out of the moron acting like he owns the world, is also sort of a moment that the audience can cheer for. But it takes a bit of a sour turn when the man starts dying, and Bill begins to mock him, and relishes in his impending death.
The surplus store, is another such moment, where, although Nick is a bastard, it's hard to argue that he deserves to die. Yet Bill ends up murdering him. Or the Whammy Burger, shooting up the place and scaring the hell out of the patrons just because they wouldn't serve him breakfast, regardless of whether they had the food or not. At these times, he's very much gone from the world of the protagonist and has become a menace to general society.
Terrorizing his ex-wife is obviously him playing the part of the villain. Although we can empathize with him just wanting to see his daughter, it's understandable that he's upset that he can't be there for her birthday, but it's still an issue that went through the courts, and him taking matters into his own hand isn't exactly on the up-and-up.
Throughout the movie, however, Prendergast and Sandra are just trying to solve a spate of events and crimes, in pursuit of justice and peace. I'd have to say that Prendergast mainly, and Sandra secondarily, are the main protagonists of the film.
While Bill may dip in and out of protagonist-esque behavior, in the end, he's the antagonist driving the entire affair.
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Kevin... still not wearing any pants, I see...
Very well put! I completely agree
shareI would say both D-fens and Prendergast are protagonists. But by the end of the movie, Prendergast is the protagonist and D-fens has morphed into the villain.
shareDuvall, of course.
I think Bill's life made sense up until his wife divorcing him and then losing his job at the defense plant.
We all need lives that make sense, that seem fair and coherent.
Obviously Bill loves and needs order in his life, hence the perfectly kept and extremely tidy bedroom at his mother's house. The more one can not stand disorder in one's life, the greater the potential for violence when things fall apart.
Robert Duvall's character lets him know there is not necessarily fairness in one's life, giving the example of his young daughter's death. Sometimes there is nothing but extreme unfairness.
Both D-fens and Prendergast.
shareThe Michael Douglas character.
shareBoth Duvall and Douglass characters are protagonists. I’m rooting for both, even if I see Bill is sick in the head. While I don’t condone his actions, I understand them. Being an adult is frustrating, especially when everything falls apart, and I’ve wished I could react in the ways he did. And I’m sure Duvall wished he could too.
Bill and Duvall are character foils. They have many similarities, but their differences are supposed to highlight their differing qualities.