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Just a badly made film



I remember seeing this in the theatre and I just re-watched it now.

The performances was crap (Malkovich was in full comedy mode).

The direction was crap.

Everything about this film had a 'made for tv' look about it.

It did not age well.

As far as I'm concerned, this story has yet to be told properly.

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I think it's a good movie, but the acting isn't very good.

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I think the acting is quite good from Hawke, Hamilton, and Spano, but everyone else is pretty sub-par. (Though Illeana Douglas holds her own.)

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I thought it was made quite well. Though I agree with Ebert that the actors didn't look the look for men trapped in the mountains for how many months? And only eating human flesh for some time.


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I though this was quiet a harrowing film the first time I saw it back in theaters. But the acting is really terrible, it really undoes a lot of the more well-made aspects of the film.

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I'm watching it now and i'm surprised how hilariously cheesy it is considering the serious subject matter based off a real tragic event.

I mean, really. I find it almost disrespectful the way they handled this.

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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I agree. I too find this movie totally disrespectful.
And Ethan Hawke with his goatee and no beard...?!

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Could not disagree more. Terrific film.

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The movie was a bit Hollywood--are there really this many pretty (mostly white-looking) men on an Uruguayan rugby team? And these men speak unaccented English? And yes, look pretty damn healthy and relatively clean for crash survivors who have been living off of an all-protein diet. And yes, it is a bit emotionally manipulative to <spoilers> kill a woman in an avalance who just said that she wanted to have another baby </spoilers>. And I just don't like Ethan Hawke in this movie--he seems really smug.

Nevertheless, the movie has some very good points. For example, it explores some really profound questions about religion and the sorts of judgement that people cast upon each other.

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The movie was a bit Hollywood--are there really this many pretty (mostly white-looking) men on an Uruguayan rugby team? And these men speak unaccented English? And yes, look pretty damn healthy and relatively clean for crash survivors who have been living off of an all-protein diet. And yes, it is a bit emotionally manipulative to <spoilers> kill a woman in an avalance who just said that she wanted to have another baby </spoilers>. And I just don't like Ethan Hawke in this movie--he seems really smug.


In real-life all the people on the plane were white. 90% of the population of Uruguay is white.

And you have to look at it that they were actually (in real life) speaking Spanish. I see no reason why they have to speak with accents during the movie. There are many movies that are set in foreign lands where the English speaking characters would have in real-life been speaking in another language but aren't given accents in the movie (for example - The Pianist, Gladiator).

Also, according to the book, Liliana did tell Javier that she wanted another baby and was killed in the avalanche. The movie is only telling the story as it actually happened not emotionally manipulating the story.

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At the end of the day its was packaged for the American audience hence all the sentimentality .i think the docudrama "STRANDED" has been the closest to getting it right.

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And yes, look pretty damn healthy ... for crash survivors who have been living off of an all-protein diet.


Oh please... ANYONE... who is really saying this is an issue with this movie, has their mind full of delusional nonsense and unrealistic expectations!

Hollywood is NEVER going to halt production, on making even the best movie ever made, to ask a large group of actors to go starve themselves for 60 days, and then comeback to finish the film, Just so they look like the real people did when they were rescued. If they did, they would probably all die before that 60 days!

People NEED to realize, they are just watching a "movie", and some times, no matter how much we (Film Makers And Audience) would like things to be as realistic as possible, there are just things that can't be done. Just accept it, and move on!



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Yea this movie was pretty poor, I don't know how it has a 6.9 rating. The story should definitely be remade. It seemed like the film was rushed to me, Malkovich shouldn't have had a part at all, it could of been simply narrated.

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I think the film suffers, ironically, from its efforts to be faithful to the book. Thus the screenplay/dialogue is very weak in places but it is using lines that the survivors recalled were actually said. However, the conversation and dialogue often appears stilted and unnatural. A good scriptwriter, trying to be faithful to the story but not necessarily the exact words, could have made it much more compelling and given it better "flow."

The pace seems slow by today's standards, which is a good thing IMO (we are rapidly approaching the age of the One Minute Movie to accommodate all the attention deficit disorder viewers out there). And of course special effects and CGI have changed audience expectations. However, I think the film stands up reasonably well to the test of time. Obviously those who like it rate it higher than 6.9 -- and IMDB ratings are, in general, not some kind of imprimatur in any case.

The additional documentary films mentioned flesh out the story nicely, as does Nando's book. The story is a very compelling one, but the most inspiring part, to me, is the sequel -- what these men made of their lives subsequently, and how they have maintained their close friendship and support for each other.

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Gosh, I can't disagree more strongly with this thread. I thought the film was excellent. I'm just scratching my head, I can't find a lot to criticize about this film.

One thing the film doesn't mention; they were suffering from oxygen deprivation. They were from Montevideo (Sea Level), and the crash site was probably over 15000 feet. Diminished mental capacity is a symptom of this. I believe it shows in the dialog of the survivors.

This is an extremely well made film.

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I agree that this is a disappointing movie. It reminds me of "A Midnight Clear", which I thought it was going to be gritty and realistic but they both come across like a mixture of made for TV movies and high school senior plays. It's like the difference between a drive-thru meal and a gourmet meal, this movie was definitely cold greasy Taco Bell.

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I recommend going to Hulu and watching the interview on the David Susskind show from 1974 with the two guys that left the plane and went for help. 2 minutes of that interview is worth more than this whole movie. Also I recommend "Wings of Hope", the documentary about the 17 year old girl that was the sole survivor of a jungle plane crash in Perú in 1971. She revisits the crash site in 2000 with film director Werner Herzog, who was almost on the flight that crashed.

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- thx Ulysses. Found Susskind interview with Nando and Canessa, great stuff.

Stranded (2007) director Gonzalo Arijon mentions briefly some commotion within the survivor group after Nando's cooperation on Alive in this LA Times interview:
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2008/nov/08/entertainment/et-arijon8

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