Kate had the audacity to blame the hotel employees for Kevin getting lost. - Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992) Discussion

[–] ptlm1202 8 years ago

She blamed them because they scared Kevin into leaving the hotel. The concierge (Tim Curry) threatened Kevin with going to the police about the credit card. After that, most of the hotel staff chase after Kevin. Kevin thought he was going to be arrested and locked up for stealing his father's credit card.

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[–] Purplecover101 8 years ago

Which........all wouldn't have happened if they kept a better eye on him at the airport.

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[–] MinorityRules15 (963) 3 years ago

Actually he wouldn't have been arrested. Once the cops actually found out it was his own son who used his credit cards, Peter is not going to press charges against his own son. Kevin should've been smart enough to know that if he would've just told Tim Curry, "It's my dad's credit cards" and waited for the cops to show up with his parents, they all would've had one big laugh about it.

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[–] NobodymournstheWicked 8 years ago

Well it is hard to keep any eye on everything since they overslept and had to get ready in a hurry both times, the last time we are aware of in the second movie, the last time she sees him is in the van.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

That's really no excuse, he's a child and she's the parent. It's THEIR responsibility to keep an eye on them PERIOD!!

In that situation, I'd rather be late and miss my flight than to not have my child under a watchful eye!

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[–] Hollywood_Square_Contestant 8 years ago

True

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[–] Buzz_McCallister 8 years ago

Yeah, she's a real bitch.

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[–] Sandman81 (1509) 7 years ago

Yes it is his parents fault for him getting lost in the first place.
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But if at any point the hotel had done its job, then the matter would have been resolved, and they could have stuck that huge bill on the McCallasters. First, I'm pretty sure most hotels, especially high class ones like The Plaza would not let anyone under 18 check in alone. Second its not legal to use someone else's credit card, even if it is your parent. The lady at the desk would have said "Call your Dad back and tell him he needs to come check in before we let you in a room." Then when Tim Curry realized that card was stolen, why wait to confront Kevin. Call the police, or the credit card company first. The card was already reported missing by the police, so he would have been told the situation. Then at that point either you tell Kevin he can't leave his room until his parents arrive, or you have the police already there and they take Kevin. Instead they confront him first, Kevin runs off with no credit card, and little food. So due to the hotels incompetence the situation was made 100x worse, rather than being easily resolved.

And to add further injury to insult: That massive room the McCallisters got was for free, and you know that $900 room service bill was waived.

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[–] Utpe (658) 7 years ago

I know, if the given situation happened in real life, there's no way a hotel like The Plaza would have ever let Kevin use his dad's credit card. But, seeing as how the staff was pretty damn incompetent, it's not really that surprising.

If Kevin's dad actually did cancel the card, then Kevin probably would've still been able to use it. Card terminals were very rare back in 1992. Businesses used to keep a carbon copy of it and call the credit card company later to bill you. If it was declined, then they wouldn't have found out about it until they were ready to process the charges.

I never truly liked the sequel. It was beyond ridiculous how the events played out. As mentioned above, Law Enforcement would have been at The Plaza pretty quickly. I'm almost positive when Kevin played that movie with the gunfire on TV, the Swat team would've been there in two seconds to secure the premises. Surely he wouldn't have been able to weasel himself out of that one.

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[–] Megan1988 (324) 7 years ago

Kevin wouldn't have been in the hotel in the first place if his parents kept an eye on him. Why the heck would Peter run ahead of Kevin? He should of held his hand or carried him when they ran to the gate. I agree, the hotel staff were idiots and could of handled things better, but it was mostly Peter and Kate's fault.

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[–] PaladinNJ (21510) 6 years ago

Mama Tiger Roared.

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[–] SpaceAce2001 (387) 6 years ago

The hotel staff actually did exactly what they were supposed to, the discovered a kid had stolen his dads credit card so they called the police and tried to detain him. They had no idea the family lost Kevin

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 4 years ago

Errrm, no... they’re hotel staff, so it’s not their job to play the bad cop in the case of credit card fraud. The direct and aggressive confrontation towards a child was both unprofessional and uncalled for, and the way they handled this situation is what resulted in Kevin (once again) becoming lost.

I would go into further detail, but Sandman81 already covered it above. So might've been worth your while reading the entire thread!

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Uhhhh yeah it is, if someone is using a stolen credit card to check into their hotel it is 100 percent their business. It’s not their job to babysit a kid who ran away and stole his dads credit card. And boo hoo they scared him, Kevin stole thousands of dollars from his Dad he deserved to be scared.

The hotel did their jobs, Kate was the one who couldn’t keep track of her kid.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Yes exactly. Kate even says something like "Because of YOU my son is alone in New York."

🤦‍♂️

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Yeah like seriously she and Peter were the ones who lost him at the airport. Although in all fairness I don’t think the movie wants us to agree with Kate in that instance

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

I dunno.... the concierge is constantly being portrayed as a villain, and it's played for laughs when he gets slapped. I think we're supposed to like Kate and cheer she "put him in his place." 🤷‍♂️

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Because that's the truth.
Their incompetence, stupidity, and unnecessary, ill-thought-out attempt at citizens arrest is what resulted in this already dire situation becoming worse.

The hotel staff may not be responsible for Kevin ending up in New York in the first place, but they sure as hell should be held accountable for Kevin ended up lost in the streets at night.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Let's get this straight....

McCallisters neglected their own child so much that he ended up on the opposite side of the country and nobody even noticed until baggage claim.

The hotel concierge confronted a kid who he rightfully suspected from the jump was up to no good, shady, and dishonest and possessed a credit card which was reported stolen...

And you're saying the hotel is more responsible for Kevin? 🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Wow.

You're like the type of person who sues the zoo because their child climbed into the gorilla enclosure when they were left unattended.

The hotel concierge is the most un-negligent adult in the entire series.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Um... might've been worth your while reading my reply PROPERLY before responding.

Better yet, scroll down and read my reply to MoviechatUser497. Might learn a thing or two...

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Why? Being subtle about calling the authorities is just a strategy. It's not a law. It's not a requirement. It's not a part of their job. It's not their responsibility.

Their job is to the hotel. Not random kids who for all intents and purposes on their end is a criminal.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

For most law enforcement, a subtle approach is preferable for reasons of keeping the peace.
And as I pointed out, said approach would've likely worked better in their (and everybody else's) favour.

Like, what exactly did they accomplish by going about it the way they did?

Apart from causing a scene, nothing!!!

Furthermore, how is an incident like this going to affect public relations? Mmmm???

I rest my case...

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

It's preferable but not required by any means.

Keeping track of your children is more than just "preferable" in the eyes of the law. Child neglect is criminal.

I rest my case.

And you'd make a really shitty lawyer 🤣🤣🤣

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

It was required in this case, since the alternative approach certainly didn't help.

Now time for bed, kiddo. Been a long day...

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

I guess you're tapped out. You had to resort to the cliche of "guess I'll just call you a kid because I have nothing of substance to say."

Nice job taking the L 🤣🤣

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

I'm calling you a kid because you have no real interest in having an intelligent conversation or admitting you're wrong when you are.
You're just hoping to get the last word regardless of whether you're right or not, but I'm signing off now so you can have it.

Nighty night.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

You're projecting your loss.

I've stayed on topic. And made all relevant points.

You're just like "well, they should have done it in private then." Instead of just admitting you're stretching for ways to absolve the parents.

You're the one that went off topic by saying weird shit like its past my bedtime, when YOU are actually the one trying to leave. This proves YOU are the one obsessed with getting a final word. It's completely apparent and now I'm just embarrassed for you on your behalf.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Aren't you not stretching for ways to absolve the concierge? You keep on trying to prove that the way they went about it all wasn't wrong, when all the facts are clearly there.
OK, so a subtle approach to handle the situation isn't legally required. So what!? That doesn't mean anything as their own unsubtle act clearly only made the situation worse.

But hey, you wanna tell your deluded self otherwise? Go ahead!

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

1. There is nothing to absolve the concierge from as he literally did nothing wrong in regards to this confrontation. You're mad at the concierge because Kevin got scared? Thats Kevins fault. Kevin knew he was being deceitful. The hotel staff isnt going to be like "poor baby with your lies and stolen credit card." That part is on Kevin. It's the parents fault Kevin is in NY alone, it's Kevin's fault he put himself in a situation where a confrontation is going to happen from the business he is deceiving.

2. You said you were leaving and then are still here all while trying to accuse me of obsessing to get the last word in? That's very revealing of you 🤣🤦‍♂️

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

1. There is nothing to absolve the concierge from as he literally did nothing wrong in regards to this confrontation.

Everything already shown onscreen and pointed out by me PROVES otherwise. If you still THINK otherwise, you're delusional. Period.

You're mad at the concierge because Kevin got scared? Thats Kevins fault. Kevin knew he was being deceitful. The hotel staff isnt going to be like "poor baby with your lies and stolen credit card." That part is on Kevin. It's the parents fault Kevin is in NY alone, it's Kevin's fault he put himself in a situation where a confrontation is going to happen from the business he is deceiving.

Kevin's just a kid and the concierge knew this. There are gentler, subtler, more efficient ways of dealing with a problem like this. Period.

2. You said you were leaving and then are still here all while trying to accuse me of obsessing to get the last word in?

I realised I had something else to say which I just said above. Good thing about minds is that we can change' em, aye?

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Nope, you're delusional because I've thoughtfully, precisely, and correctly disproved all your incorrect statements . And clearly your mind is beyond the capability of change.

You're allowed to be here, but where you failed is when you went out of your way to say that I shouldn't be here by saying weird shit about my bedtime. Only people who are delusional do that.

You fail. You lose.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

You really don't give up, don't ya'...

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Coming from you, that's fucking hilarious.

Pot meet kettle

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

S.M.H. 😅

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

See... I told you you were projecting that shit about getting the last word. So ironic you're the one with the accusation about that 🤣🤦‍♂️

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Let's recap. Which one of us tried to say it's past the others bedtime? YOU. Which one of us said they were leaving? YOU. Which one of us accused the oth er of trying to get a last word? YOU. Which one of us said "nighty night" and yet is still here? YOU

And now you want to play this "you dont give up" bullshit 🤣
Talk about being delusional.. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I shouldn't be surprised... you have a clear history of refusing to place responsibility on who it belongs 🤣

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

It is INDEED the hotel staff's fault that they scared Kevin away, because they confronted him too directly and aggressively with the charge of credit card fraud and threatened to turn him over to the police, causing Kevin, who thinks he's going to be sent to jail, to run out into the mean streets of New York City, which is not at all safe at night.
As much as Kevin was committing credit card fraud, he is still technically a minor, and it was his father's credit card he was using, so the power of punishment on this matter still resides on his parents.

Now, what they should've done instead was rather than allow Kevin to check in normally, quietly notify police that they have an unaccompanied child in their care and allow Kevin to stay until police can speak to him (while also assuring him that he's not in any trouble) and the matter get's resolved. Once the McCallister's reunite with their son and come to collect him, the hotel could take some credit for keeping Kevin safe and slap the bill on Peter and Kate.

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Hahahahaha they were too aggressive? How were they supposed to respond? Take him out for tea and biscuits and explain why credit card fraud is wrong. They did what they were supposed told. Kevin should have gone to jail, he stole thousands of dollars from his Dad, that is a crime. And sometimes it doesn’t matter if the parents want to prosecute or not.

The fact that Kevin lied and manipulated them isn’t their fault, it’s Kevin’s fault, he submitted false information.

Kevin’s feelings are the last priority in this situation, he committed a felony and the hotel staff is not babysitters. Kate and Peter should have been watching their kid better, Kevin shouldn’t have stolen his Dads credit card, so many people did the wrong thing before the actions of the hotel staffed even mattered. The movie doesn’t even want us the audience to blame the hotel staff, the fact that Home Alone 2 Lost In New York is over your head is baffling

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Also let’s take a look at what Tim Curry said/did:

- “what’s the matter, store wouldn’t take your stolen credit card” well the card was stolen so he didn’t do anything wrong there

- took the card. He had a child running around with his dads stolen credit card, didn’t do anything wrong there

- said he was calling the police, kevin committed a felony so he didn’t do anything wrong there

- tried to detain him, again Kevin committed a felony so that was legit

- “ get back here you little thief”, well Kevin was a thief

- told the bellboy to “stop that child”, well they had a kid who committed credit card fraud running around so that was logical also.

Please tell me you aren’t serious

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Hahahahaha they were too aggressive? How were they supposed to respond? Take him out for tea and biscuits and explain why credit card fraud is wrong. They did what they were supposed told. Kevin should have gone to jail, he stole thousands of dollars from his Dad, that is a crime. And sometimes it doesn’t matter if the parents want to prosecute or not.

Right, for starters: so a 10 year old should go to jail for theft/fraud? Really?? LMFAO. I don't even know if that's even possible as I've never heard of it happening.

As for how they should've responded, well, I've detailed above what they should've done in the beginning and that's also the most realistic scenario.
But hey, if it all truly did escalate they way it did with Kevin checking in and everything (mistake on their part), then Mr. Hector the concierge should've done this: approach him at the entrance and say, "Would you come with me please, Mr McCallister? We need to have a word" while keeping it all subtle, and escort him into a discreet room where police are waiting to question him. Need I say more?

The fact that Kevin lied and manipulated them isn’t their fault, it’s Kevin’s fault, he submitted false information.

So why did they believe his "very convincing story" and allow him to check normally, huh? A mistake on their part as previously pointed out.

Kevin’s feelings are the last priority in this situation, he committed a felony and the hotel staff is not babysitters.

They have an unaccompanied child in their care and are responsible for said child until his parents are located or authorities intervene and take over, whether they like it or not.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

Who said anything about jail? Thats not up to the hotel, thats up to the law who they are rightly trying to notify. The hotel staff are absolutely not responsible for this child. Not by law, not by obligation, not by job description. Where the fuck are you getting that from? Again, here you are just making shit up.

You approach this like Harry approaches entering a room. Refuse to move even though you are constantly getting torched. 🤣🤣

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Sister Suzy has issues, and seems like a spoiled brat, it’s always someone else’s fault. I pray to whoever that she doesn’t have children.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

I pray for whatever business she ends up suing when her kids get hurt due to her own neglect.

Just one of those people always trying to pass off blame....

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Any responsible child protective service agency world take those kids away from her

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

I never said he should go to jail I said he committed a crime and should be detained which is exactly what they tried to do and a 10 year old can go to Juvie.

Lol yeah let’s just be nice to the criminal who stole thousands of dollars I’m sure that’ll make him see the error of his ways. Again it is not Curry’s job to be respectful and comforting to Kevin’s feelings, he’s not a child psychologist and regardless of that, Kevin committed a felony, him getting too scared a distant secondary priority. Kevin was also the one who chose to run away, I didn’t realize you were allowed to resist arrest because the police scared you too much.

They aren’t responsible for him, the kid ran away and lied to them. They never agreed to accept responsibility of an unaccompanied minor, they thought Kevin’s dad was around.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Kate and Peter should have been watching their kid better, Kevin shouldn’t have stolen his Dads credit card, so many people did the wrong thing before the actions of the hotel staffed even mattered.

We can all agree on that, but that doesn't make the hotel staffs' handling of the situation any less wrong.

The movie doesn’t even want us the audience to blame the hotel staff

Well, what makes you so damn sure of this? On top of escalating the situation with their mishandling, they behave like idiots and get easily fooled by ridiculous things (Kevin's story, the TV etc.), much like a lot of side villains in this type of comedy. Tim Curry's character is clearly put into a sinister, villainous light throughout and is basically second only to Harry and Marv, and once he gets slapped by Kate it appears to be deserved and we never see his character again.

Also let’s take a look at what Tim Curry said/did:

- “what’s the matter, store wouldn’t take your stolen credit card” well the card was stolen so he didn’t do anything wrong there

- took the card. He had a child running around with his dads stolen credit card, didn’t do anything wrong there

- said he was calling the police, kevin committed a felony so he didn’t do anything wrong there

- tried to detain him, again Kevin committed a felony so that was legit

- “ get back here you little thief”, well Kevin was a thief

- told the bellboy to “stop that child”, well they had a kid who committed credit card fraud running around so that was logical also.

Please tell me you aren’t serious

Don't you remember what I said about subtlety? This isn't subtle.
I stand by with what I already said prior on this.

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

The hotel staff had zero obligation to take care of Kevin, they did have an obligation however to detain Kevin and report him to the police which is exactly what they tried to do. The fact that Kevin lied to them isn’t their fault, it’s Kevin’s and to a lesser extent Kate and Peters. I didn’t realize successfully lying to someone made you the victim

The movie is clearly saying that the hotel wasn’t at fault they were showing how entitled Peter and Kate were, their child was lost and they chose to spend their time blaming the hotel staff instead of trying to find him. And the movie is told through Kevin’s perspective, to him Curry is a villain because he’s trying to stop him from doing what he wants but we the audience are not supposed to see him as a villain

You can stand by what you said all you want, doesn’t make it true. I so hope you don’t have kids, first of all they’d be out of control secondly you’d probably lose them in a huge city then blame everyone they came in contact with. You seem like an entitled snowflake, it’s always someone else’s fault

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[–] George (638) 3 years ago

Yes it was their fault for not keeping an eye on him. But yes she was right to be mad at the hotel staff. Because they scared him away by threatening to call the police on him. So yes she was very right to be mad at the hotel staff. Because two wrongs don't make a right.

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

They should have called the police, Kevin stole his Dads credit card and fraudulently checked into their hotel. So what if he got scared he should have been, he committed a felony.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

They had every right to confront the child. "Keeping an eye" on him is NOT their responsibility at all. Calling the police is the EXACT right thing to do, because even if the suspected he was by himself, the authorities are the ones who handle missing children. Hotel staff is responsible for the hotel. Police are responsible for the law and citizens.

Let's say a 10 year old kid comes to your home and starts stealing your stuff.... you call the police. You are not responsible for "not scaring him away." You're responsible for your home, not the kid.

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

Hotel staff is responsible for the hotel

So then why are they flying into an all-round frenzy in public over a kid with his Dad's credit crard? Mmmm???

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

In public? Or in the hotel in which they're responsible for?

Fuck you're stupid.

Yeah, every excuse to not put the responsibly on the parents

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

The lobby is a public space, dipshit. Anyone can enter at any time and there were plenty of people present.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

The lobby is private property dumbfuck. It's part of the hotel. Just because it's currently open to the public means absolutely nothing to confronting a criminal minor.

Why the fuck does a hotel concierge need to wait until they're in private to accuse somebody of credit card fraud?

You're literally just making rules up 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Goddam, you people are stupid

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[–] SisterSuzy101 (361) 2 years ago

The lobby is private property dumbfuck. It's part of the hotel.

It's accessible to the public, therefore it is IN public. It's not rocket science, dude.

Why the fuck does a hotel concierge need to wait until they're in private to accuse somebody of credit card fraud?

Oh I don't know... maybe because it's a fucking private matter!?!? Seriously, how hard is it to gently escort someone away saying you need to have a private word with them?

You're literally just making rules up 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Goddam, you people are stupid

What time is it in your part of the world, bud?
It's 8:30pm here so must be nearly lights out for you.

Hope you've brushed your teeth and in your jim jams by now, don't want ma' and pa' to catch you up on your computer this late, aye? Too much screen time before bed is bad for you.

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[–] blindfolded (1618) 2 years ago

WTF is this comment?? 🤣🤦‍♂️

Hahahahaha

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

No you brainless bitch, the lobby is not public property, are the tax payers funding it? No Trump owned it, it’s private property. Just because people are allowed to walk in doesn’t mean it’s private property you idiot. Since I can just walk into a Wall Mart I guess that’s public property also right?

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Because they had a credit card thief in their hotel and they had to stop him, it’s their job!!!!

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[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

You’re the one flying into a frenzy and throwing out a bunch of profanity filled temper tantrums because the mean old hotel staff scared a defenseless credit card thief

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