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Freezing Error, you wouldn't age



In the movie Daniel is frozen for 53 years between 1939 - 1992 but when he was revived he slowly, then quickly begins to age before your eyes. What was that?

Why would time catch up to him so rapidly it doesn't make sense. If you froze a piece of meat for 2 years even it will still be fresh. A film like 'Demolition Man' is more realistic in which freezing a person does not resault in aging the next day.

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Possibly it is because the audience wouldnt want to see a late 20's early 30's year old test pilot kissing a lady in her 60's 70's or 80's.

Furthermore the writer could argue that the change in atmospheric pressure could cause the normal aging process to speed up or the change could have caused progeria, a rare disease found among children which cause them to age at an abnormal rate.

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Maybe...but a piece of meat isnt a living thing....maybe its somthing to do with cell regeneration... or somthing..who knows what could happen..

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I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the cut he get's from fighting claire's ex boyfriend. Because each time he falls they focuz on his hand, and it's shaking like hell. I think it might have to do with him getting exsposed when his flesh was cut.

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I thought it had something to do with the chemicals that he had to take to be frozen

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Maybe because its a film and its only 2 hours long!

Don't believe the hype!

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You don't want to leave a piece of meat in the freezer for two years as freezer burn will eventually set, in ruining the meat. Vacuum sealing is better as it sucks the air out of the bag, resulting in an enviroment that postpones the onset of freezer burn. But not preventing it entirely.

As for Daniel facing the aging problem, Harry's own notes show that the chicken died of aging. Unlike the piece of meat, which is no longer a living organism, Harry's cryo experiments were to slow down the onset of aging for a given span of time. Not do so forever. Had Daniel been frozen only the amount of time he wished, then once thawed he wouldn't have suffered any ill effects. But Harry was not able to figure out a way to over come the rapid aging process that comes with too much time in cryo. The living body is bound to age at an extremely slow rate in Harry's experiments. But once thawed, if the body is not subjected to some means of stabilization then it will age at an accelerated rate until it reaches the proper age.

Our genes say what we look like (unless we get plastic surgery or scarring from accidents or diseases such as chicken pox) at a given age and while most of Daniel's genes would remain locked at the point where he was frozen, some would continue the aging process. These few would appear to have little affect on Daniel's age at first, but their very pressence would cause others to begin to catch up to his proper age.

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Bullsh*t. Frozen body=no cellular mitosis. No cellular mitosis=no shortening of telomeres and no aging. It is complete crap science that he aged rapidly. His body was in a specially designed cryonic freezer, not the sort of freezer you use at home. If you want to claim he wasn't completely frozen, then you have to deal with the fact that he would just rot if he wasn't frozen enough to interrupt cellular mitosis. Further, our genes are only a blueprint, and aging is not a normal part of that blueprint. Aging occurs when the body's cells slow down their replication/replacement. Look up Hayflick limit on wikipedia. They pulled this same idiotic trick on Eureka, and it annoys crap out of any halfway knowledgeable person, which you obviously aren't, so you shouldn't pretend to be.

Sometimes evil is just applied stupidity-Ronar

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Better stop pretending you're knowledgeable as well then.

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As pointed out above he did not age while in the capsule. That means he did not age genetically either.

If the process had caused significant genetic damage than he would have died over the next year or so from cancer like diseases. I.E. becoming sickly and wasting away as his body could not regenerate itself normally.

What the film showed, and even stated, was some form of induced rapid progeria. But even that turns out to be bogus, in that his induced aging would not have stopped when he reached his "true" age, it would have just killed him of old age as quickly as he had been aging.

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Providing an explanation for the aging seems to be the primary purpose of the John the doctor character [a hemotologist maybe?]. Whatever freezing protocol Harry Finley designed seems to have triggered a "...mutated form of progeria" possibly caused by exposure to radiation.

I think one of the nice aspects of this movie is the way they distribute the expository material and backstory throughout the movie and through lines delivered by many different characters. John is more than a few comedic moments, his character is essential to the story because of this premise. If you do not use a rapid aging premise, Helen and Daniel may not have a lasting happy ending.

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Another problem, which is passed in silence, is his revival. When he was crygenically frozen, his heart would stop as with all other bodily functions, in other words, clinically dead. In addition to some sort of (I would assume) very controlled defreezing technique (certainly not direct exposure to the Californian climate, no matter what time of year), one would actually have to restart his heart, and the rest of his body. As he is 'awoken', he would be nothing but an old piece of frozen meat. It is stated that Finley's work was way ahead of his time, and this does explain why nothing like this has been thought of later on. But it seems very doubtful that the freeze capsule, no matter how advanced it looked, would be able to properly bring someone back to life, especially when it was not intended for more than a year.

And another thing; how could this thing have been powered for all those years? It was stowed away in a storehouse, and even if it was given any power (inventory lists it as a water heater or something), someone surely must have wondered why a storehouse should be such a power drain? Not to mention the danger of a power failure; a machine like this should need backup power etc. to be preserved for all this years. One must also assume that such machinery would need maintenance (liquid nitrogen, isn't it?).

I know it's just a movie, but there are so terribly many dubious scientific approaches here, which I feel the need to point out.

Lastly, I can honestly not believe how no one would know of this project. How could he have received funding for something like this, just before a world war. This seems not to be the best spending of money, when scientists almost had to beg the presidents for money to build the nuclear bomb (which is slightly more weapon-ish). Most conspiracy theories base themselves on few people having knowledge of the things involved as a means of eliminating 'someone must have known'-doubt, with this movie echoing those theories. Just my opinion.

Once again, I know it's just a movie, but surely, The Philadelphia Experiment was more realistic than this ;)

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Same answer that was given by Nick Cage's brother in 'Adaptation': 'Trick photography'

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STOP POSTING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. IT IS CLASSIFIED.

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