Was I the only one who was not surprised at the end? I saw this film because most of the vote with just twist plots where it was voted number 3 Must say I had not read the ballot, so I had aldrg believed there was actually a twist plot.
Can anyone explain what the plot twist was?
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UMMM.... You're kidding, right? The "plot twist" is pretty bloody obvious. Dil turns out to be a man, in case you didn't notice!
Thats was the plot twist? The first moment I saw Dil, I knew he was a man.
But thanks for the reply :)
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The twist's effect was on the Fergus character. The audience knew very early in the film.
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That's not true. Maybe you knew and a few others, but most didn't know until Fergus.
Play the game existence 'til the end...of the beginning...
I think most should know... I even asked my brother who's 17. He recognized it instantly same as I did... I was disappointed with this "twist".
shareBecause in 1992, probably before you were born, the signs were not very obvious. I can see he's man, but in 1992 many people literally did not perceive what was to them an unexpected thing.
I get that you're subtly bragging how observant you are, but peoples expectations and awareness were different back then. Back when it came out the twist DID exist for many people. I doubt it would have nearly the same effect now. 60+ years ago people would get scared at special effects that we today would find ridiculously benign. Being able to see things as they were perceived AT THE TIME is cleverer than going 'well duh its obvious'. Dont worry, the Sixth Sense Message Boards are full of people claiming they could see it coming too.
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I don't think anyone could answer better than this. I was 10 when I saw this movie and had no idea what it was about, my dad had it on tape, and so a lot of it was over my head at the time. I do remember being shocked at the penis 100% -- I just watched it again tonight and with shows like ru Paul drag race or Kris Jenner times are just way different. There is so much more context and understanding of sexuality and gender in 2016 it's not as subtle, but honestly the film holds up as powerful and emotional, and when you put in the context of the early 90s it's honestly even more impressive.
share10!!! Yeah, that woulda been a shock for sure. I agree with your summary totally. To me I expected a 'tranny' to have been a lot more obvious and largely the same as a cross-dresser. I am more educated in matters now.
sharemy dad definitely had eclectic taste in movies, i was watching troma films and sneaking away his porno tapes too at such a tender age... ahhh memories :)
shareI agree with you man.I have seen lot of commenters commenting psycho(1962) to be not frightening movie and they are making fun of the movie.But we know that when this movie was release during that time mostly women were afraid to take shower.Now I know most will find the shower scene of psycho to be nothing but at that time it was one of the most disturbing scene.similarly those who are making fun of plot twist in this movie i want to tell them one thing,if you know that dil is men after seeing him,then stop watching movie because such film is no use for them.this movie is not dependent on this fact only.
shareIt was pretty easy to fool straights back then. Remember this was well before the internet, RuePaul's drag races, etc. "Tranny porn" was obscure, and fewer TGs were "out." A lot of genetic females were laughingly bitching that Jaye Davidson was prettier than they were.share
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reply 9 10/08/2017
Remember, this movie came out before the internet. I wasn't a person who watched review shows like Siskel & Ebert. People that I worked with who had seen the movie said, "There's a really interesting twist" but nobody ever said what it was about.
A few years later, Dan Butler did the off-Broadway show "The Only Thing Worse You Could Have Told Me." In that show, one of the characters he plays goes to the movie and is shocked by the reveal. So, no, people didn't know *exactly* what the reveal was.
And yes, I thought that the character was a man from the beginning, and I just assumed that the Irish guy liked them that way. Until the actual reveal, where I found out that he didn't know. So it worked for me.
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reply 29 12/08/2017
I mustn't have picked up on one or two indicators, because during the big reveal my reaction really was Jesus Christ!
shareEven if you didn't know, and Dil being a man did surprise you, I don't see how it is a twist that changes the plot much in any way. So I too am a person who doesn't understand why folks feel this film has much of a twist. To me it does not.
It turns out to be a man. So what..? Even the thematic subtext is thin (which is okay, because it still gets the point across, and it is still a well-made film): "I can't help what I am."
I liked the movie, but the supposed "twist" doesn't change the plot up much in any way.
I'm not a control freak, I just like things my way
No you did not.
shareI knew Dil was a man by the get-go. Still genius thouugh.
shareThis is what's so tremendously sad. People come to this movie looking for a "twist", and get so wrapped up in its execution that they completely miss the point of it all.
A damn shame.
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Dil wasn't a man....she was a woman with a penis.
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shareOther than the fact that Dil was a man, the twist is that Rhea's character, after finding that out, continued to have 'an affair' with Dil.
shareby am_buglet_82 » Tue Jul 31 2012 23:13:01 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Dil wasn't a man....she was a woman with a penis.
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And every other male attribute.
sharePeople come to this movie looking for a "twist", and get so wrapped up in its execution that they completely miss the point of it all.
And this mentality is the reason for the popularity of such atrocities as The Dark Knight.
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Even if you knew about Dil or not think about this I think the other twist is that Fergus actually came to see Dil as a She and care for her, that he and she seem to be a couple at the end, i didnt see that coming seeing as how he had a part in her lovers death.
shareWhen I first saw this movie with my friends we immediately started making jokes how Dil looks like a man. If that was supposed to be a plot twist, then it's the most obvious plot twist in movie history.
shareJelly, you didn't say when you saw this film. Most of us who first saw it in the early 1990s were of a different era, in which transgender issues were not yet common fare. Most of us had no reason to think of Dil as other than what s/he presented. Now we know that human sexuality has never been as simple as just M or F. We understand that many are born physically neither/both M/F. And many others are born with the body parts of one sex but feeling they are the gender of the other, like Dil. And these two sets of factors can be separate from (or linked to) the sexual orientation one is born with, which is to say who one is attracted to and fantasizes about being intimate with. For most of us it is pretty simple (matching sex & gender and standard orientation), but for millions of our brothers and sisters, it is more complicated. We owe them our loving support, and equality of rights under the law.
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I think you hit the nail right on the head. This movie doesn't have the same effect on people because we live in a different time. I have known many transgendered people and have studied the issue enough to not be shocked or disturbed by it. So, this movie really didn't "do much" for me. For one I knew that Dil was a man before the reveal and two even after it is revealed I didn't find the movie overall to really be that good. I'm shocked it was nominated for Best Picture because I would probably give the movie a 6/10 at best. I can't say I didn't like it but it was not very good. I thought the setup was promising but the second half was boring and drawn out.
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Regardless of twist its simply a story of love between two human beings, in the end the sexuality of Dil and Fergus is irrelevant they care for each other as lovers even though (in Fergus`s eyes) they are not.
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Yeah, I was waiting for that big twist all the time. Was not sure if that was it.
I was really scratching my head thinking, really? People really did saw a woman instead of a man?
First time I seen "her" something was really off. I mean, yes its possible to mix it up, but it was kinda obvious for me... Males and females have very different scull.
So if that one is considered a twist... Well, that wasn't a twist for me...
Anyone who consideres this a twist... facepalm... Again, I am ok with some people not recognizing it. But I would still not take this as a twist, lol.
While it's certainly true that men and women have differences in their skull features (most notably around the brow area and with a more pronounced, larger jaw for men) Jaye's is certainly not overtly masculine, but definitely androgynous, and coupled with the soft facial features and completely feminine hairstyle, he would quite effectively pass for female - as he, in fact, did - for most onlookers. So no, not "facepalm", it really was a twist, and was certainly considered thus by all who saw it, apart from -apparently!- a small minority.
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