What went wrong with Batman V Superman?

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DC had the right ingredients. Hell they had lobster and truffles. However when they went in to the kitchen they forgot to check the recepy for a good movie and they cooked up a dish that tasted like it already had been digested. They are a couple of bad cooks. Very bad cooks. They mixed it wrong and topped it off with a twist that will go down as the most funny scene in a movie that was not intended to be funny.

Really all they needed was a decent story, more attention to the pacing and less attention at how it looks and for God sake, dont make Batman and Superman into a couple of momma's boys....

They bit off more than they could chew promising Batman VERSUS Superman in the same movie as they are beginning the Justice League. Even setting aside that we'd only been introduced to Supes at this point, trying to make your movie about two events that are diametrically opposed to each other, and plotting it in such a way that the two events take place right after each other, was the major error.

Also, they have miscast Lex Luthor and misplaced him in this movie and missed completely on writing the character and understanding what he's supposed to be. He should have been the perfect man, with a huge ego that is destroyed when someone better than him comes along.

They rushed Doomsday instead of using the much more logical Bizarro play (wouldn't Lex unleashing Bizarro and framing Supes make a ton more sense than uh, Shooting African Warlords?). Now, because they used Doomsday, their stupid word-association brains felt that they just had to do Death of Superman story. Well, that and the fact that Superman=Jesus in the DCU and it's not even thinly veiled at this point.

Did I mention that they are already starting from negative 50 with their total whiff on Superman and allergy to portraying him as a good and nice guy who saves people. Batman killing people is inevitable if you look at what they've got Supes doing. They straight up murdered Jimmy Olson ("for fun"-Snyder) without even bothering to NAME him! Consider that for a second.

Oh and the other thing is that the plot they did go with is a complete mess. Talk about being convoluted, they have actors on screen playing their characters in the context of being in a dream, a hallucination/ghost(?) a multiverse messenger, a hellscape vision, a memory, a corpse, a GIF, and whatever Steppenwolf is in that deleted scene.



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Too many plot ideas that have been floating around at WB for nearly twenty years now crammed together in one film, and very unnaturally so.

A director who in the past stated that he found Superman to be boring and whose top two favorite DC based comics are Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns... and seems to feel that the entire DCEU should be just like those comics in tone be damned fans of all the lighter material.

An ultra extreme Batman without enough backstory and world to justify the nearly reckless use of lethal force.

Wonder Woman poorly added in in order to being the greater connection of the DCEU, but not as smoothly or as useful to the plot as a whole as Black Widow in Iron Man 2.

A Lex Luthor who wasn't the old classic mad scientist nor was he the ruthless businessman... but some rather weird and annoying comedy-of-errors mash up of the two. Which is only made worse as he seemed to be the driving force behind the whole movies... but nonsensically so.

The electronic press kit trailer cameos for the future Justice League characters.

The numerous and annoying dream sequences/visions... far too many had nothing or so little to do with driving the plot of the film and pretty much only had to do with setting things up for future movies. And along with that far, far, far too much of the movie needed the viewers to be ultra familiar with the current version story-arcs of just about everyone and everything in DC to even get what the hell was going on.

The fact that in Superman's second outing in this newly fledged DCEU they have already gone and done the death of Superman, but with absolutely none of the history, familiarity, and attachment to Superman needed in order to have the story play out well.

The migraine inducing musical score. I like drums and electric guitars... but somehow this movie made me hate them instead.

And finally just the straight up smug, self-aggrandizing, pseud-intellectual pretentiousness of the whole damn thing. It acts like it is intellectual and deep... but it is not... not by a far stretch.


I might have missed some things... but that is most of what I think went wrong with the movie. And the vast majority of it can easily be blamed on the writers and Zack Snyder.


Sanity is for the weak!

As someone who liked BVSDOJ a whole lot, I would say that WB should have made a standard sequel to MOS first, and then follow it up with BVSDOJ, in order to give the movie more room to breathe. I don't believe for a minute that it's the disaster that some people are calling it, but I do think that there's room for improvement in a few key areas. From the sound of things, WB are looking at those areas in particular for JL1 and the other movies.

It was lazily written.

Urich: Guess I have more faith in humanity. Fisk: So did Christ, if I recall.

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Though I liked the movie more than the usual fan and thought it was better than MOS, I thought the big problem was disregarding the characters principles which makes them who they are. I am a big comic book fan and for awhile, Batman was one of my favorite characters. He did things shady to get the job done but he was careful not to cross that line. That made r compelling storylines and moral questions that permeated throughout comic book lore. Snyder took that.....and threw it out the window! THAT is what pissed me off the most. I can deal with the sloppy editing and eye rolling dialogue ( however, I cant deal with Jesse's Lex. I don't like the actor and this movie proves why he was an awful choice). However, I cant deal with them using a beloved character to satisfy their need for violence just to make the film stylish or to make the story "easier to digest". Its lazy.

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