How is this not a more discussed topic in this film? Michael Douglas' character clearly rapes a woman and the movie glosses over it as though nothing happened. It even continues on as though we are supposed to be rooting for his character.
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Exactly. It isn't the same rape and rough sex, it's incredible how much people confuse both things. In the sequel there's a similar scene, but in a bed and with both lovers nude, is it also a rape?
shareWell Beth started enjoying it about half way through, and seemed to have an orgasm. So is it rape if the woman starts to enjoy it? I mean there is no way a guy can know that a woman will start to enjoy it half way through, obviously.
But does Beth regret that it happened if she enjoyed it?
As in Basic Instinct 2, it's the opposite and the woman wants him and they have sex. But during sex, he becomes too rough and then she resists and doesn't want it. So I would say that the second one is probably more rape?
You may legitimately not known this, but women can have an orgasm during rape. That doesn't mean they want it. And if you're being raped, it isn't okay because you "start enjoying it halfway through." The body and the mind are not always as connected as we'd like to think. You can also go into a dissociative episode, where your mind shuts down or you feel out of your body, but you are still physically responding.
Basically, he DID rape her (she told him no and was in pain), but it was the nineties and handled in a different way than it (hopefully) would have been handled now. I mean, the whole movie is pretty much soft porn and violence (not saying I didn't enjoy it, it's cheesy but great), with everyone obsessed with this woman to the point of killing and/or dying for her.
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You may legitimately not known this, but women can have an orgasm during rape. That doesn't mean they want it. And if you're being raped, it isn't okay because you "start enjoying it halfway through." The body and the mind are not always as connected as we'd like to think. You can also go into a dissociative episode, where your mind shuts down or you feel out of your body, but you are still physically responding.
Well I thought that since she was kissing his fingers a lot at the end of it, that she enjoyed it in the end.
byRynoII » 15 hours ago (Thu Aug 11 2016 23:04:51)
I happen to be one of those weird chicks that says no during sex, my ex was very good at knowing when no meant no and when no means yes. Sometimes no means yes? I don't know I am weird but she could have been the same way, I mean they had had sex before.
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Aaand everyone wonders how/why otherwise good 18-20 year old boys get in trouble for rape in college. Everyone says there is a "rape culture" and a "rape epidemic" amongst young men and that some culture of testosterone and violence is to blame. Some go so far as to say men are inherently prone to rape (due to caveman instincts). While I believe a lot of human behavior does begin with caveman/cavewoman instincts, I also think there is a good case to be made that sometimes a young man misread the signals he's given. I've been married a long time, and I know that men and women often are on very different wavelengths, even when they are partners and best friends in every aspect of life. Imagine if they were hormone-raging teens who barely knew each other. Who is to say if either the girl or guy knows what they want, much less what the other wants?
shareI don't think Nick would rape Beth, I don't see him a cop doing that and having her go to Internal Affairs. I think it was just one of those things where two ppl know eachother and maybe felt intercourse was a bad idea at first but relented. Wasn't like she wasn't kissing him back and letting him grope her breasts.
Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours
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It's one of the hottest scenes in movie history!
shareYour misuse of the Rape charge is an insult to actual rape victims and makes it harder for police to take rape accusations seriously.
Nick and Beth have rough foreplay and sex, she's going along with it the whole way and never once objects.
It's clearly a rape, and a very sexy scene it is. Watch it again. She clearly objects, when he forces her gorgeous ass over the sofa, and rips off her panties. She is clearly seen screaming out 'no', and 'stop'.
One of the hottest, sexiest rape scenes in a mainstream movie.
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Yeah that ass was so gorgeous..
share"It's clearly a rape, and a very sexy scene it is."
whaaaat?
It was pretty rapey, though we don't really know for 100% sure that she was saying no to the act of sex itself, which was already in progress before she said that. She could have just been objecting to his unusually rough approach or the fact that he was in such a hurry he started having sex with her right in front of their huge window with a big room full of people doing aerobics in clear view right across from them.
I mean I'm not saying he wasn't wrong and that it wasn't messed up and that he shouldn't have stopped right then, but she seemed to change her mind again pretty quickly after that moment and it's kind of up to her in those circumstances whether she feels that was rape or not, and since she herself didn't frame it as one, by what right can we?
Now you want to see a real, weirdly unchallenged flat out rape scene, try Blade Runner.
Or Straw Dogs, or Lust Caution, or Three, or House On The Edge of The Park, or Emmanuelle, or Lady of The Night.
In Basic Instinct, it has to rate as one of the hottest, sexiest rape scenes of all time.