i mean, c'mon! cristoforo colombo (columbus, whatever) was the biggest SOAB ever existed. no one should make a movie about the man who started the biggest massacre of the history of mankind. and europe should apologize to this land for all the damage they did. how could they??
sharelolol
you are a fool!!
You americans kill all the natives!!! Not Europeans!!
yeah, rite, i am not american.
and the native americans were killed by europeans, like the other natives in the continent. read some history, dude.
Hold it right there! The Europeans first came to America, in search for new land and possibly treasures. They paid off many of the tribes with gold, and those who did not accept, were slaughtered. Known fact.
Now, those who are now Americans, stole the land from the natives. Not only did they take without giving, they seemingly also did NOT have any intentions of letting the natives be at peace. So they finally locked what was left of them, up, in reservations. How nice.
Then one day, they had them all lined up, and they killed every last one of them.
I actually don't blame them though. It's a human instinct. Fear. Everywhere, if there has been anything that could turn into a possible threat, or just not really fitting in, we've exterminated it. Animals, forests, people. NATIONS AND CULTURES, ladies and gentlemen. How's that for beastly behaviour?
There are no such thing as Native Americans, they didn't just sprout from the plains. What we call NAs are descendants of ancient nomadic people who came across the Bering Straits.
So you see there are no races "native" to North America.
Europeans killed millions of natives with all the plagues / diseases that were brought over. And millions of Europeans were killed by diseases as well from the ships that returned to Europe. Mostly unintentionally I would imagine.
shareyou americans? remember where we came from?
"On the run from Johnny Law, ain't no trip to Clevland."
right like all the people of Mesoamerican and south american civilizations who were conquered, slaughtered, enslaved and literally worked to death by Spanish conquest?
shareShut up Moron. There were no Americans to kill anybody. The world actually existed before your crackhead mom sh!t you out and left you in the dumpster. It's true
Be The Ball
Dude, what makes this film great is not how they characterize Columbus or whomever else, but rather the settings, the decor, the environment. Chill out with your self-righteousness.
shareI agree with the OP. I think we should just sweep history under the rug and omit every bit of vicious human history from our memory. We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's delicate sensibilities now, would we?
shareIs the supply of half wits on this board really endless?
shareWhat are you referring to here?
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As wonderful as this discussion is, we are looking at the past with perspectives of the present.
YES, the Spanish did many acts that we would consider barbaric. But look at it from their perspective. They were extremely religious back then. The Inquisition was in full force. Anyone who looked different or acted different was not considered to be human and thus, you could do with them what you will. Remember, sanctity of life only mattered if you were of the same religion. A backwards way of thinking, but that was in the past.
All religious "thinking" is backwards. It takes a primitive mind to follow such nonsense.
The conquistadors and the rest of them were all murdering bastards, but so were the natives too. They killed each other for many years, hence the weaponry found in archaelogical digs. It's called human nature, we're all dicks, no matter where we're from.
yeah, every religious person is primitive. self-righteous, shallow fool.
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To answer your question: Yes. It is endless.
shareYes, Koz. The supply of half wits is, in fact, endless. These people all seemed to have gotten their information from Saul Alinsky. While it is certainly true that Europeans (NOT AMERICANS; there was no "America") took this land by force, the nitwits on this board seem to think this is something particularly egregious. Sorry folks, that's the way it was, is, and always be. We're not anything special in that regard. As for the title, "...Conquest of Paradise", is this supposed to be a joke? Does anyone think that the Indians (I will NOT call them Indigenous Peoples like some college sophomore) lived in peace and harmony with either each other or with the environment? These people were virtually prehistoric; no tribe had metal, the wheel (yes, something as simple as that), a written language, an understanding of even the simplest chemistry, or other necessities which were developed in Europe a couple thousand years before. Theirs was a truly savage world, hunting for food on a constant basis. People living into their thirties for the most part; having endured disease, starvation, and incredible hardship; none of which make you either noble or strong. It plain kills you.
Billy the Kid
Billy the Kid aka bmodica aka dumb ass.. are you retarded? What about savage world!!! my grand mother and aunts are of kalinago aka CARIB INDIANS the same ones that fought against Columbus in the new world. Mind you we had our own language. Many of the words we spoke were adopted to society example hammock and hurricane.. These are Kalinago Words. When the spanish came to rape and rob the Mayans didn't they find them with buildings and structures the spanish could not comprehend how they built pyramids!!! they had MATHS!!! and their maths was way more advanced talk about reading the stars!!! The calenders all these were stolen from the "savages" as you pointed out. Thats all the white man do take what doesn't not belong to him n call it his. We savages were civilize b4 you devils came and stole rape and brainwash us..You have no idea about anything.
shareSmokiller, your last two posts are jokes, right? You apparently are an uneducated ignoramus judging not only by your grammar, diction, and spelling; but also by your ideas however poorly they are put forth. "Many words" implies more than two words, yet you give only two. Furthermore, hurricane was from the Spanish word huracan, and hammock is a Haitian word. Geez, get a life. Read my post again, and tell me what's wrong. They had "maths" (sic). So what; they could count to 10? Is their math of any use whatsoever today? And the "calenders" (sic, again) you mention have no bearing whatsoever on the CALENDAR we use today, which is accurate to within minutes a decade. Now, do yourself two favors. First, look up "sic". Then get an education before you bare your behind to the world.
Billy the Kid
I am with Billy.
What were the Europeans to do?
"Oh! There are people here. Let's get on the ship and go back to Europe."
Survival of the fittest you dimwit liberal hand-wringing whiners.
apparently not! they should do some knowledge/IQ test before allowing people to post !
Yeah, Americans are bad, we should instead look up to people like Che Guevara. Now that was one movie about an extremely passive and loving Jesus like figure. He was never a violent person. We should all support communism, too. They didn't have gulags, I mean, concentration camps, and not a single person has been harmed by that wonderful ideology!
sharelol good point, che was a ruthless dude who was also in charge of executing the deserters and dissidents during the revolution. ironicaly, he was also a doctor. in the end he was betrayed by castro and killed by the americans. The reason he left cuba was because he was against castro taking sides with the soviet union so dont blame che for communism and dont blame communism for che.
sharei tottaly agree with you
i dont understand so much credit about colombo
that was thinking in reaching india and then he found america and called to the natives indians! hehehe
this movie as so many historical errors that makes me sick
first colombo was not a man off letters
and he was not a sailor
documents say he was portuguese, others say he was italian
portugal was the first country to receive colombo proposal
but the portuguese at the time were the biggest nation with all
the recent discoverys, india, brasil, japan, africa and even australia
they reached!
and there are some clues about that portugal allready knew about america and
they were hiding it from spain because they drawed a new frontier in tratado
tordesilhas where spain and portugal divided the world and portugal wanned more
west regions on the map where the spanish were thinking there was only sea on it
and there is the first clue where some history estudies begin.
then with the portuguese refusal he moved to spain and made a hell of noise
and they say he seduced the queen to achieve is goal.
"and by the way gerard depardeau and segnurey weaver are such a bad choice for this parts! god who the hell wood think in putting them doing this parts? a completly crazy person forhapps?"
well the rest you know he reached america and called them indians hehehe
i had to study some documents he wrote about the first days he arrived in my socioligy class and yes he was completly dumm! he startes puting names on things he saw and didnt even bother to ask the natives allready living there what was the name they were using first for this local fauna and nature, regions waht ever.
the only thing i like in this movie is the fotography and music, sorry for my bad english.
The guy who mentioned "endless supply of half wits" was damn right.
shareYeah jeez, cut the history lesson this aint no documentary about Columbus and the rest its a piece of entertainment.
I came here to see if the thing was worth renting on DVD not a load of non-sense to do with inaccurate facts and the likes.
Get with the program - IMDB yeah not bloody Wikipedia!
Endless supply...
IMHO opinion you should most certainly rent it. I'm not the artsy fartsy type but it's beautifully shot and the locations are breathtaking. The performances are excellent and I agree with an earlier posters description of the atmosphere.
Good guys may not finish last but they sure as sh*t don't finish first!
Right you are, because there's nothing even remotely 'artsy-fartsy' about this mess of a movie.
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I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
- Winston Churchill
Brilliant quote. Now there was a leader FFS!
Move over Rover!
Actually going by *that* quote, there's a racist idiot.
A dog doesn't share our biology.
A dog doesn't build the manger that he sleeps in.
If there *is* a dog there, you can just move him out or cohabit. You can accomodate (dogs usually do), or ou can build your own manger (instead of stealing it).
You don't have to try to exterminate the dog, or kick the dog, or rape his bitch and then hunt him for sport, or use the excuse that you are on a civilising mission for 'God' to do all the above.
And Churchill's ideas of race are entirely discredited and his views are typical of the self-deluding euro-centric value system that dominated Western thinking and divided the world into 'White' people (God's chosen and superior peoples) and the 'indigenous' - those who 'God', King and economic necessity determined had no right to property or life.
Yehaw.
How can you say that.
This is a great movie, with wonderful actors and actresses.
Superbly made, and full of pace, this movie is very entertaining.
Yvan