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SPOILER! The absurdities that ruin 'Shattered'


For a good part of this movie, it simply is a beautiful neo-noir. Casting, location, atmosphere - it's all there. However, I cannot get past the absolutely ridiculous ending that <spoiler alert!> has us believe that Dan Merrick is actually Jack Stanton. Merrick goes back to work, goes to see Jenny, the interaction with Klein, all of this and NOBODY seems to notice that "Dan Merrick" has a different voice. A different personality. Different mannerisms. On and on and on. The writer(s)/director thought that by just changing the FACE, they could pull off a believable thriller. No way. It ruined the entire movie and is one of those that implies the audience must be brain dead to fall for all of that. Just a little bit of thought - and you realize you have been HAD. First 1/2 of the movie is an A. The second half (and especially the last quarter): F

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I have to agree with you. I recall seeing this years ago & everyone saying "What a great twist at the end". I thought it made no sense & while a clever idea, it was unbelievable. The same thoughts crossed my mind...No one notices his voice is different. Were they the same exact height? Did they smell exactly the same? I didn't buy any of it.

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I just added it to the goofs section,plastic surgeons if needing to go off of a photo alone use bone structure first to guide them and no two people (unless identical twins) have the same facial bone structure, and the plastic surgeons would have been able to tell this immeidately.
ALSO with that musch blood loss the guy would have needed a blood transfusion so who is to tell they didn't have the same blood type. The bone structure thing alone blows their hole plot right out of the water.

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Another ridiculous scene how did Jack Stanton when he think's Dan Merrick see Jack Stanton across the room at a party.It's a flashback scene.

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Actually, the flashback scene is from the party Jack was attending that same evening. That's where he was when Judith calls him and he rushes to her home. I agree the film is a decent idea that turns absurb. I also thought, with the exception of Bob Hoskins, that the actors were not at their best.

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You are so right! Bob Hoskins did a great job and I felt him believable all the way through. BUT....I was confused about when the wife had killed the partner's wife and THOUGHt she had killed the detective and said that THEY (the ones she killed) were the only OTHER people who knew Jack's true identity. I can't believe that his BUSINESS partner didn't figure out that he wasn't the same person as before especially when he wasn't very good at 'his' job anymore after the accident. And even if he did LOOK the same, wouldn't his voice be different? Can't believe NOBODY else in the movie figured out something wasn't right...

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Well you guys obviously know thats tom berengers real voice there is no voice change in the movie because back then they didnt have the whole cgi change voice dub thing

it worked either way for me the movie the end was kind of funny

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That's true because both parts "parts" were being played by the same actor, but I think the argument being made above is that since we're to believe Tom Berenger is playing 2 different men, each should have his own voice. The fact that they have the same voice is the flaw that is being pointed out.

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Another thing that sort of spoiled it involved Bob Hoskins. He did a fantastic job as Gus Klien, but the idea that his asthma inhaler would allow him to survive being submerged is ridiculous. I use two inhalers for COPD, and the metered spray will not provide breathing support if underwater.
You can't fix stupid - Ron White

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No, both parts weren't being played by the same actor. Check the cast listing. Scott Getlin played Jack Stanton. I haven't seen the movie in years, but most likely, they had Tom Berenger dub Scott Getlin's lines so that the voices would sound the same.

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"I haven't seen the movie in years, but most likely, they had Tom Berenger dub Scott Getlin's lines so that the voices would sound the same."

That's exactly what they did. When Stanton is talking to Judith in the car after she kills Dan, he clearly has Berenger's voice.

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I thought this was a great movie and well acted. Many of your points here are excellent points but all of them can be logically explained.

First, the obvious.
Blood type... Unless the detective and his business partner each took a bllod sample, I doubt they would have noticed a difference in his blood type.

Voice... It's entirely possible and in fact likely, that if he had severe lacerations to his face, he may also have had lacerations to his neck and upper torso. After several reconstructive surgeries, he may also have had reconstructive surgery to his throat and larynx which would probably change his voice. Unless somebody is a real jerk, nobody would be so insensitive enough to point it out to him.

Mannerisms... having come so close to death and enduring dozens of reconstructive surgeries, having amnesia, it's likely that a person might act a little differently. They might be a little unfamiliar, even towards people who have known them for years. The person may be very meek and mild when they realize they were clinging to life by a straw.

So, although these are all very good points you bring up, it is possible that people noticed his different voice and mannerisms but were just to polite to mention it.

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Not only are his voice and mannerisms different, but he would have no idea how to be an architect. Then you have fingerprints. What about blood type, it would be a stretch of the imagination to believe the husband and lover both had the same blood type.

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It's Movie Land. Fourth wall. Suspension of disbelief. Just enjoy yer popcorn :)

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<<It''s Movie Land. Fourth wall. Suspension of disbelief. Just enjoy yer popcorn :)

Suspension of disbelief is one thing. Expecting us to be complete idiots is another; it's called "having no respect for the intelligence of the audience." I was shocked at how bad the movie is at the start; the first 15 minutes is howlingly awful, but then it hooked me for its next hour or so. By then I knew what the ending was likely to be, and I was right, and that was ridiculous too. I won't go into ALL of the spoilers, but how about these: NOBODY could survive that kind of a crash without seat belts and air bags; NOBODY could have repaired his face and body to near perfection; NOBODY could buy the fact that she would go to all that trouble to cover the tracks of someone who was leaving her, especially not knowing that he would have amnesia....

Ugh. Hoskins is SO GOOD in this movie that it almost makes their bungling of the story worse. 3/10. Yikes.

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the op's post is completely retarded, yours only mostly so. you make one legitimate critique:

"NOBODY could buy the fact that she would go to all that trouble to cover the tracks of someone who was leaving her, especially not knowing that he would have amnesia" (mainly the last part)

this is all that matters because his wife is the only character still in the movie (other than hoskins at the very end w/the rescue) after the doppelganger reveal and the doppelganger switch recognition. he has like two scenes with her, so it's natural for the viewer to ask 'well why would she do it if she didn't know he had amnesia'.

the plausibility of surviving the crash, voice and mannerisms change, degree of precision of plastic surgery - all are totally irrelevant at that point in the movie. it's doppelganger reveal, recognition of doppelganger switch, about two scenes with wife(*), movie over. they do the twist, and they get out fast, and that makes all that other nonsense mentioned by you slothturds matter not.

* here, again, viewer questions as to her motives and reasoning should arise

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"this is all that matters because his wife is the only character still in the movie (other than hoskins at the very end w/the rescue) after the doppelganger reveal and the doppelganger switch recognition. he has like two scenes with her, so it's natural for the viewer to ask 'well why would she do it if she didn't know he had amnesia'."

She only tells Berenger she tried to cover his tracks when he still believes he's Merrick and that he killed Stanton. In reality she tried to cover her own tracks. She didn't want anyone to find out her husband was missing so she played along with the doctors. But she did not want anyone to know Stanton was missing either, so she sent the fax while he was still in a coma. She had no idea he would have amnesia, but she had to do something if she didn't want anyone to start snooping.

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There was a throwaway line in the movie that Jack Stanton had been an architect himself. That would explain why he could adapt so easily to Merrick's job.

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If I recall, Jeb Scott, Merrick's partner, said the "new" Merrick WASN'T good at his job. "Presumably" due to the amnesia.

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I guess we know now that it's because he was bad architect with a good credit limit, so he could afford a Porsche. :)

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who would be comparing there blood type? It's not like the hospital had a record of stanton or Merrick's blood type on file. And who's checking his fingerprints? I'm sure a high profile architect doesn't have a criminal record or his finger prints on file, so again what/who would they be checking against? And he doesn't know how to be an architect that's the point. It is clearly explained when his partner is looking over his work and says, "Not bad considering you don't know what your doing."

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There is a part in the movie right after they get home the wife says on the phone to a friend his voice is even sexier or something to that degree implying that something had changed. you have to a bit of attention and imgaintation.

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Actually the Jack Stanton character was an architect too, but I guess you'd have to watch the movie to know that. :)

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"but he would have no idea how to be an architect."

He didn't, that's why Bernsen was complaining about him not doing his job properly and Berenger wanted to be bought out.

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Yeah, but how could anyone NOT figure out the ridiculous ending? I would think most people would have it figured ut 20 minutes into the movie. I like everyone else have it figured out already. It was just a fun popcorn movie seeing how they would get to the end that was pretty obvious to me.

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Good twist but the face change and same voice totally ruined it! Even if the wife gave doctors a picture of him to reconstruct his face they would notice that his skull/muscle features would be different. Accident and memory loss victims can have different personalities and/or mannerisms. So that didn't bother me.

Loved 'Gus' character except when he uses the inhaler as a SCUBA. If I were shot, I'd be screaming and thrashing... not thinking rationally and pretending to be dead while using my inhaler.

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For a good part of this movie, it simply is a beautiful neo-noir. Casting, location, atmosphere - it's all there. However, I cannot get past the absolutely ridiculous ending that <spoiler alert!> has us believe that Dan Merrick is actually Jack Stanton. Merrick goes back to work, goes to see Jenny, the interaction with Klein, all of this and NOBODY seems to notice that "Dan Merrick" has a different voice. A different personality. Different mannerisms. On and on and on. The writer(s)/director thought that by just changing the FACE, they could pull off a believable thriller. No way. It ruined the entire movie and is one of those that implies the audience must be brain dead to fall for all of that. Just a little bit of thought - and you realize you have been HAD. First 1/2 of the movie is an A. The second half (and especially the last quarter): F

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In the book Tom Berenger's character's voice is different because he suffered a fractured windpipe in the crash. He mentions it sounds to him like 'gravel poured down a galvanized pipe'. In the movie Tom Berenger sounds like Tom Berenger but maybe the voice we hear is different than both Dan's and Jack's (though if that was the case you'd think the filmmakers would think to mention it)? I don't know. I read the book because, like you, I liked the set-up but thought the end was weak. The other stuff like personality and mannerisms being different doesn't seem like it would be odd bc he did suffer amnesia after a horrific accident. And that would also explain his lack of architectural knowledge.

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Amen, but you forgot some other absurdities:

1) No American hospital would have released in three hours a woman who had just survived a car crash of that magnitude and had her husband there in critical condition. They would have kept her to watch for shock, if nothing else. In fact, with such minor-looking injuries, she might still be in the emergency room at dawn, waiting for a few stitches.

2) The wife's just committed murder and is desperately anxious to cover it up by creating a paper trail that shows Jack left town. Why, then, would she send an obviously traceable fax from a machine that could *only* be accessed from her husband's office, on a day when no one else would be in?

3) The detective (who we have no reason to doubt) reports that the hospital doctors don't believe the facial injuries could possibly be the result of the crash alone, but this discrepancy is not explained by the final reconstruction of events.

Yeah, the gimmick is surprising, but the logic doesn't hold up at all, which invariably ruins movies of this type for me no matter how well they are acted. The best you can normally hope for is that the movie's logic holds up until the second viewing. Mystery/thrillers like "The Usual Suspects", the plots of which are as perfectly constructed as a Swiss watch and survive three or four viewings, are rare. But you definitely don't want to be scratching your head and picking the thing apart before the credits roll the first time.

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2) The wife's just committed murder and is desperately anxious to cover it up by creating a paper trail that shows Jack left town. Why, then, would she send an obviously traceable fax from a machine that could *only* be accessed from her husband's office, on a day when no one else would be in?

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Because she slipped up! All killers make one mistake that allows them to get caught, eventually, at least in the movies.

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No American Hospital can keep an adult against their will.

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Just one problem. You've based your ENTIRE "absurdities" theory on his voice. Now, if this was just some guy trying to pass, it might hold a little water, however, this was a man who had been in a major auto accident. He was in a coma. He had amnesia... trust me, your voice can be damaged by life support equipment, being atrophied through non-use, or physically in the accident. On top of that HIS WIFE SAID IT WAS HIM (this is key). He looked just like him. And, to finish it all up, he actually believed that HE was Merrick--so he never acted suspicious, and, as I mentioned, his WIFE said it was him. It's very likely no one would question it as long as she didn't have a problem with it. Plus, if you're going to claim someone isn't who they claim to be (who looks exactly like who they say they are), it pretty much behooves you to tell everyone who they actually are, and what the reason is for the charade. To claim someone isn't who they claim, simply based on their voice being a little different, when they look exactly like the guy and his wife claims it's him would probably set you up for people wondering just how nuts YOU are.

However, doing anything that would require fingerprinting would definitely be his downfall.

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