Why are we all so Nostalgic?
I want to know why this thread and Pete and Pete and all the other Golden Age Nick shows are full of kids boring in the mid 80's nostalgic for these shows? I know I am but not sure why.
I want to know why this thread and Pete and Pete and all the other Golden Age Nick shows are full of kids boring in the mid 80's nostalgic for these shows? I know I am but not sure why.
I was wondering it myself, and I was also wondering if these shows are better than what is on Nick now, or do we just think they are better because we used to watch them? I think the latter.
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I think what it may be, is that kids born in the mid '80s (early '86 for me, so I am definately NOT an '80s child) are all in their twenties now. In the passed decade or so, television shows have changed and I'm not just saying that because I grew up. You can tell a difference between "Pete andthey Pete" and "Drake and Josh". There are differences and the humor has definately changed. I do feel though that since we are all entering adulthood, we want to hold on to memories and the like that are from our childhood, however, we cannot because they are no longer there. Much like our childhood, in a way...
shareNo, the shows during the early and mid-90s were simply better shows. Better characters, better writing...just way more thought and care. The landscape of the television world has significantly changed since the onslaught known as the Internet, not to mention that several of the people responsible for those amazing programs no longer work for the network. Today's kids are carrying cellphones and doing homework on laptops. Life is just different now then it was back then. And so, when television was one of the main entertainment mediums, we treated our shows with greater respect than this decade's generation. There's a reason the phrase "The Golden Age of Nickelodeon" even exists. Double Dare, What Would You Do?, Salute Your Shorts, Are You Afraid of the Dark?, Pete & Pete, etc. compared to Zoey 101 or iCarly. It doesn't take a genius to see what happened. But such is life. Now, if only the NEW execs at Nickelodeon would get on the ball and release OUR generation's Nick shows on DVD and Blu-Ray, we'd be set.
shareI think that it is the philosophy of the shows. In the "Golden Age" the shows were about kid power. Everything had a more rebellious flavor to it. The shows had kids as people who were brave and clever. Salute Your Shorts and The Adventures of Pete & Pete are both prime examples. Kids who existed mostly within the rules, but when they felt they were being treated unjustly they would rally together and achieve some measure victory. Today Nick has embraced the classic sitcom mold of, kid breaks rules, gets into trouble, is punished(either by parents or the situation created by their rebellious actions) but learns a lesson. Do they even have game shows with kids anymore?
So, why are we as adults still attracted to kid power? Because, most of us aren't at the top of the food chain. We still want to believe that if we are being treated unjustly, we can band together and affect some sort of change.
One more thing, the characters weren't so hammy. They were actually relatable instead of being caricatures of kids. I don't know if thats the writing, the directing, the choice of actors, the producers, or if it comes down from the top, but it has resulted in a lower quality show. Maybe they are going for surreal and just have no clue how to hit that part.
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I've said this several times before--in my generation and ones before (60s, 70s, 80s) kids were just kids. They weren't wasting their time texting or playing Xbox or being on the Internet (all right, I admit it, I'm guilty for that ;) ) they would actually do kid stuff like play "Mother May I," or run through the sprinkler, or blow bubbles. Not to say that their isn't one kid who acts their age, I've seen several, but it still really irks me that there are 5 year olds with cell phones and Ipods. It is really stupid and unnecessary and stupid and annoying and stupid. Remember when Nickelodeon used to be all about being a kid? Slime, winning prizes, summer camp, sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories? Now it's "OH EM GEE! HE'S SOOOOOOOOOO HOT! OH EM GEE! LOOK AT MY MAKEUP! OH EM GEE MY BOYFRIEND IS CHEATING ON ME!"
I certainly miss 90s Nick shows myself. I'm 19 and those were the best years of my life and I cannot believe the crap that's available for children to watch now. Of course it's not for us, but it will never ever be better than what used to be on.
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Every once in a while, when I'm in a crowd of people who are in their early 20s, I'll start singing to myself "we run, we jump, we swim and play ..." and everyone will jump in and finish the song. It's always an awesome feeling.
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frick yeah. I think I have to agree about the classic sitcom being too adult for kids. I still enjoy Pete and Pete because they are all about being rebels and finding yourself. Plus they featured great music and quirky scenarios. I still like Salute your shorts and wish it was on netflix.
That's staying power that as a person in my late 20s, I still watch these shows when given the chance. And I remember there were always so many game shows and the sketch comedy shows were so memorable. It really felt like Nick was ruled by kids. Not kids shows aimed at kids who wished they were teens.
I agree that now that we're getting older, moving into the twenties, we're looking back at our childhood and remembering how simple and carefree it was (before SATs, college, boyfriends/gfs, work, drama). So of course we remember what we watched and it can bring us back to that simpler feeling. I love to reminisce about old school nickelodeon, and when you do talk about those shows to people our age, everyone remembers those shows and is excited to talk about them.
I think that television has changed, and the world has changed since the nineties. I did like it better back then. I agree that we're wrapped up with technology (but hey, we're here on imdb and we get to use it to talk about this stuff lol). im glad i didnt have a cell phone at 8, or an ipod. i got to go outside and play, and get my knees scraped. hehe. and i look at those nick shows they have now, and they're horrible. kids aren't kids anymore. they want to be older. that hannah montana show has girls that are 12-14 dressing like they're 19 and wearing makeup and it's like wow...be a kid! our shows were a lot more relevant, and they definitely questioned authority and i value that. i think that made me who i am today. now those shows are so conformist. salute your shorts, pete and pete, alex mack, all that, clarissa, are you afraid of the dark, you name it..they were all about weird kids, not perfect looking. and they all had something to say, they were cool they were different. your right, there was a feeling of kid power. and it made us feel like we had the world in our hands. even the movies (little giants, heavyweights, mighty ducks, sandlot..) it was all about the underdogs. those shows and movies of our generation just had a rebellious type spirit, and i'll always love them. i wish they had cool shows like that now, but hey, i'll always remember them.
I'm 23 and I remember alot of the old nick shows and I miss the feeling of the comfort it brought me when I was home alone on saturdays with no friends to play with.
I atleast had my old nick shows to look forward to specially Are you afraid of the dark was my all time favorites.
I plan on getting as many of the older shows on dvd as I can.
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Times were simpler. We could all relate to what they were going through because the characters were real. The things they dealt with were things we dealt with, not a situation blown 10x out of proportion because it makes good TV drama. As someone who not only grew up watching this show along with all the others (Hey Dude, Pete & Pete, Are You Afraid of the Dark, etc.) but also became a TV/film student, I find it incredibly peculiar that everyone refers to this as the "Golden Age of Nickelodeon" without any sort of background in TV. Not because they are wrong, but on the contrary, because they are completely right.
Nickelodeon during this time WAS in its golden age, and it wasn't by any sort of accident. I'm currently taking a children's TV class and one of our textbooks is called Nickelodeon Nation. Through reading this book, I have learned more about the business side than I thought I would want to know, but it's actually fascinating. The people in charge of Nickelodeon from its inception through the mid-90s went about business in a way that was the total opposite of other networks at the time. They put the creators in charge of their animated shows and developed a philosophy that put the kids first as opposed to the profit first. I think this deteriorated once the network became established and other channels started competing with them more heavily. Once Nick became successful, they could no longer stick to their grassroots philosophy and mode of operation, because now there was money at stake.
It's truly unfortunate, because watching Nickelodeon now you don't get a sense of brand like you used to. The shows don't have anything unique about them, but instead feel like the traditional watered-down adult sitcoms aimed at kids. I think part of this falls on society too, because having worked with kids in elementary school for 3 years now, it's clear that they are much more jaded by societal/cultural ideologies.
I'm hoping that with the economy the way it is, people will realize there is more to life than materialism and the necessity to always be on the go, and we will see a return to the simpler times we grew up in. Who knows? Maybe children's TV will revert back to the quality programming it once was and we can sit and watch with OUR children shows akin to what we watched ourselves.
On a personal note: I had a conversation last November with my current children's TV professor before even starting the class this January, and she said that I should try to get involved in children's TV since I seemed to feel strongly about it. At the time, I brushed it off, telling her I wanted to do film and make action/comedy, but now I realize it's up to people like us to change things for the better. I'm not sure if I'll take her advice, but after watching episodes of Salute Your Shorts and Brotherly Love recently, it seems more viable than before.
I would highly recommend that those of you who are still in college, and even those of you who are not, take a children's TV course if it is offered and maybe consider making a career out of it. It's obvious that there's a desire to return to what once was, but if all we do is sit around and talk about it without trying to take control of the industry, nothing will ever change and the iCarlys and Spongebobs will continue to reign.
aplefka, your entire post is spot on, but especially this:
We could all relate to what they were going through because the characters were real. The things they dealt with were things we dealt with, not a situation blown 10x out of proportion because it makes good TV drama.
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I must disagree about nick being "the only medium" that started to suck. movies, music, my God the whole anchalata, has taken a turn for the worst. its not just nick, sorry to say. i rarely go to movies anymore, too much BAD CGI ruining them and the movies a lot of them simply aren't fun anymore. i may go to the movies once a year now, and its sad cuz i love going to the movies but theres nothing out there.
Realism, Remakes and Unnecessary Sequels are ruining movies!
i think TV in general has gotten really bad but nick, well its just sad cuz kids nowadays have nothing of quality to watch.
Realism, Remakes and Unnecessary Sequels are ruining movies!
I recently finished my college journey which happened to be a time when I hardly watched any TV even in my free time. Though I did know about gossip shows such as iCarly and Victorious. Since I finished school and have had more time on my hands to reconnect with television before my professional aspirations get started. I believe certain shows, Victorious as an example could have succeeded with it's respective storyline about a student who found an opportunity to go to a performing arts school; it is more of an issue of writing, script, and the acting.
Of course there is the argument that we were kids when we adored shows like Salute your Shorts and AYAOTD so it is natural for us to still love those shows. However, the main reason the teen gossip shows on Nick nowadays are garbage in our opinions isn't so much the storylines but the lack of morals and the poor writing; they don't have any inner meaning in them. I think the kids of today who watch those shows are gonna look back at them when they are our age and not find any meaning in them. I'm afraid it might be degrading to my future children one day because such shows could have a negative impact on their morale.
I also remember in the Doug episode "Doug en Vogue", when Doug has gone along with the group of watching Teen Heart Street but his sister Judy warns him of how the show is utter nonsense and materialistic; that's what Nick's shows ended up becoming today.
It wasn't just kids that watched shows like Pete and Pete, I was in college when Pete and Pete was on the air and it and some of the other Nick shows were very popular. I can remember sitting in the lounge at my dorm with a group of people watching these shows.
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That is the most meaninful, deepest thing I have heard in quite sometime. I just moved Pete and Pete up to the top of my netflix queue and now cannot wait to get them. I'm 22 now, so I was probably 5-10 during the golden age of nick. It was just a simpler time back then. Oh how I miss the '90s. I can't wait till they put out Salute your shorts on dvd. Donkey Lips for ever!
shareAgreed, this is some really deep stuff here guys. It's really hittin' the heart yenno. Very thankful to have grown up watching the Golden Age of Nick.
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