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It has to be said, Goodfellas won the test of time presently, no doubt

posted 14 years ago by Crisitunity
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even if you think dances is the better movie, there's no denying that goodfellas is seen as the better film today and that it was snubbed at the oscars. again,that could change in 50 years, but right now, it's delusional to think otherwise.
Like for instance, on parks and recreation, one of the guys is made fun of for liking dances with wolves because it's seen as LAME. absolutely no one thinks that of goodfellas and if you do you're making fun of yourself more than anyone could, truthfully.

as i said before, things change and predicting the canon of classic cinema decades down the line is harder than it looks, so i'm not even saying that dances with wolves won't be rediscovered as a great and goodfellas won't be seen as relatively mediocre (but i'm also not saying that) however the people here saying dances with wolves is seen as the superior movie nowadays, you really need a reality check...

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[–] Rob4001 13 years ago

First time i watched DWW i thought it was a pretty quality film. But really i was probably just blown away by the scenery.

Second time i watched it i was fairly convinced that it was a *beep* film. And i am generally a big fan of slow films with great visuals where not a hell of a lot necessarily happens. I love... There Will be Blood, Gladiator, The English Patient, Once Upon a Time in the West, Once upon a Time in America, Apocalypse Now, Deer Hunter. Etc, etc, etc, etc.

This film is just *beep* though. It's predictable and hugely hugely hugely cheesy (i hate Costner in most films).

So maybe that's why it got so many oscars, it flatters to deceive at first.

[–] one189teen50five 13 years ago

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do you hate someone who is so talented and makes great films? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? I think it's petty to just be so mean and have the nerve to say DWW was predictable. You don't know good quality cinema when it slaps you upside the head, dude.

[–] Rob4001 13 years ago

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY are you such a retard?

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[–] Rob4001 13 years ago

Seriously though you gave a really lame response.

I really don't rate Costner as an actor and i wouldn't be the first.

[–] jgarrick 11 years ago

Every film is "predictable" when you've already seen it once.

[–] madmaxwarrior 13 years ago

Goodfella's is great on its own merits and doesn't need Oscars to be legendary. Dances with Wolves had a lot going for it that was better. The Directing and Cinematography is with out a doubt better. The Characters and entertainment was better in Goodfella's without a doubt. Not like I care which one is remembered or not. I'm proud to say both movies are classics and that I enjoy them equally.

[–] Dubz1300 13 years ago

it's common fact under people who study and know film that goodfellas/scorcese was snubbed and is EASILY the better film...it is one of, if not the best, film of the 90s, and one of the all-time greatest films EVER made..

everything about the direction was orginal and revolutionary..same cannot be said about dances with wolves..

goodfellas is actively discussed today in modern cinema...dances with wolves has long been forgotten.

this is a fact.

[–] one189teen50five 13 years ago

You just can't grasp the truth, can you? DWW will never be forgotten. GF is trash, crap, and also LOSER. Get on with life, dud, or dubz...your facts are wrong and you can never change them.

[–] Dubz1300 13 years ago

i just owned you with truth..clearly, it is YOU who cannot comprehend it..

there is nothing even remotely innovative or original with the direction in DWW..

scorcese's direction style in goodfellas has been repeatedtly copied and immitated..

any self-respecting critic, such as ebert and roepert, will admit that goodfellas was one of the biggest snubs (along with taxi driver) in the history of cinema..

scorcese could have retired after goodfellas and be remembered for creating his 3rd masterpiece and all-time greats..

hack costner is a one trick pony who use the native american subject to trick people into thinking a movie was more profound that it really was...CHEAP TACTICS from a 3rd rate "director"..

kevin costners work has been long forgotten, along with his movie...

scorcese continues to wow and innovate with great films, and to this day, his masterpieces taxi driver, raging bull, AND goodfellas are actively discuessed in film school..heck, there's whole courses devoted completely to him..

run along now and try fact checking a little better.

[–] one189teen50five 13 years ago

Hey dud...forget you. I am happily placing you in the ignore and ignorant list. Goodbye and don't bother me or this board again. You are such a downer and none of what you spew is even remotely true. You can't handle the truth!!!! So many many many disagree with you it's just pathetic. You need to check your facts before blowing your out of touch horn.

[–] scott_skinner 13 years ago

'Ramble ramble ramble ramble ramble ramble Scrzeze its teh bestest' - Is all I read in your entire post. Dances With Wolves won many awards from the academy and other outside award ceremony's. This is a fact. Bad films don't get recognised this well my friend.

Goodfella's is a fantastic film and a well deserved piece of art. Dances With Wolves is also and hasn't been forgotten at all. Where is it written that it has been forgotten. Prove your words? I want links.

[–] allstrangehours 13 years ago

I'm okay with DWW winning over Goodfellas, probably they should have given the director award to Marty though.

But can we admit that RAGING BULL losing to ORDINARY PEOPLE was a FAR bigger snub. Goodfellas is good. Raging bull is better.

[–] one189teen50five 13 years ago

But this isn't the board to argue that. And in no way should Martin Scorcese have won over Kevin. He did not have the accomplishment Kevin had and the distinction of winning his first time directing anything. Martin S won when it was his time to win and it's not fair to keep wanting to snatch away the director honor from Kevin! He EARNED that title: BEST DIRECTOR. He worked hard for that.

[–] forgetmenot3-191-68556 13 years ago

This is the kind of discussion that could easily be debated for days. As far as Directing, Cinematography and being best Picture, hands down I truly believe Dances With Wolves should have won. Now in that respect, I think Goodfella's should have won in other area's. The Editing was fantastic, the characters were very well brought to life and the sets were very well put together. Goodfella's should definitely have won in those area's.

As far as how much effort and resources were put into DWW, I believe it really was the best picture and Kevin Costner clearly put his soul into the project. You wouldn't even think it was his first time directing, its so professionally made.

They both deserved awards in certain area's. I really do think DWW earned its Best Picture Oscar though.

[–] KDinCT 13 years ago

Wrong. End of story.

[–] Dubz1300 13 years ago

yea, costner proved his directorial talent with other films like...???

scorcese snub after snub...end of story

[–] karlhinze 13 years ago

You can't give or hold back from giving a director an award based on the quality of his other films! It's about one film vs another.

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[–] suicidea 13 years ago

We used to argue for hours on who would win, Superman or Hulk? Of course, we were 8 years old then.

Why some people need to compare two movies of different genres and prove one's superiority is beyond me, unless they are 8 years old.

Ah, there's also the new trend: calling people "fans" "you fanboys" and stuff like that. Yes, we are fanboys, and pointing that out makes you what? Mr. Authority? Mr. Higher Elite Taste?

Well, I'd just rather be a fanboy and enjoy both movies equally. Unlike you, I know that I can enjoy a movie without crapping over the others. Last time I did my reality check, 8-year olds were doing that.

Now go finish your homework, or no cookies after dinner.

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[–] jmbwithcats 13 years ago

roflmao... trying to use a comedy series like Parks and Recreation as a valid source for why Dances with Wolves is "bad" is beyond stupid and invalid.

Dances with Wolves being an easy target doesn't make it bad... it's an amazing film, and Costner gave so much to make it happen, even putting up his own money and mortgaging his house to see it through... the man got thrown from a horse in the buffalo scene, got back up and kept going! The man is passionate and deserves a lot of credit for this movie.

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[–] one189teen50five 12 years ago

He is saying GF is better than DWW! And to keep harp, harp, harping on this subject takes away from the actual winner of all those awards, which is DANCES WITH WOLVES. Pop culture references have no place in this. So an idiotic cartoon makes fun of a classic movie. Other movies are made fun of too. GF is just one of those movies that can be played in a couple of hours because it is not a classic, epic masterpiece that DWW is. It is merely a filler inner for a two hour spot on some random movie station. SO WHAT

[–] Sodominion 12 years ago

I really don't get the pathetic arguments you DWW fanboys are trying to make. Let me try your method..

GF has a higher rating on imdb. It has a higher number of votes..more than 3 times. I googled both movies on several huge torrent networks and GF wins that race by miles and miles....It's not even a competition in that regard. The characters and dialogs are more memorable and influential...you can see people with GF dps/avatars and quotes far more often than DWW. I'm also guessing, from my experience, that GF has more fan sites and dedicated fans. I also googled "goodfellas vs. dances with the wolves" and nearly all the results tilted towards the opinion that GF is superior. GF also has a higher rating on Rottentomatos, metacritic, yahoo movies and I think various other big name movie sites. GF is on 4, well technically 5, AFI lists...DWW used to be on the list but was removed, along with 23 others, from the updated list. It proves that GF stood the test of time and is more liked today as opposed to DWW. GF clearly had the better cast as well...it's not really a fair point but I'll use it for the fun of it. So to cut this short my post proves that GF is the superior movie. It also won more awards btw...38 vs. 32.
Damn I wasn't sure that argument from authority and/or majority worked so well. lol. But as time progress GF proves to be more influential and watched than DWW. DWW is pretty much a joke at this point...people use it in their arguments on how the oscars are so unfair. Kind of like Avatar and Titanic...they got the awards, the praises, viewership and all but at the end of the day they couldn't be taken seriously by critics, film schools and movie buffs. A few decades down the road I won't be surprised if DWW is just remember as some movie that stole the oscar from GF.

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[–] rascal67 12 years ago

DANCES WITH WOLVES, had Best Picture written all over it. It is a much more noble effort than GOODFELLAS in terms of historical context, themes\story and the heartfelt passion that went into making it. It is a piece of Americana that is worth preserving.

I can enjoy watching 'Goodfellas', and I feel that it should have won the Best Adapated Screenplay award. 'Dances With Wolves' was apparently a screenplay by Michael Blake, before being adapted into a novel then back into a screenplay, so you could ask what category did it really belong too. This would have at least given the academy an opportunity to give Scorsese an academy award earlier, rather than praise him over the over hyped 'The Departed'.

'Goodfellas' is clever, smart and possibly arrogant film making, as are many Martin Scorsese films. It is really only fan boys who would rate it Best Picture material and think that it has stood the test of time to try and justify their stance. 'Goodfellas' is still revered as one of Scorsese best, so get over it. Most fan boys will watch only a limited genre of films, because they get challenged by more elegant, poetic and honorable works of art. Dances With Wolves was the deserved winner.

[–] colorado_moviebuff2012 12 years ago

..loved both movies. Seen both movies in theaters back in 1990.

- Both ARE master pieces that hold up very well today, as they should, they are both classics.

...i would say it's a tie lol.. but, if I had to chose which one is the better award winner... Dances with Wolves.

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[–] druss44121-1 12 years ago

Apples and oranges. I'm so tired of this bs argument. There are years where there's obviously a better film, but in 1990 they both very different films that were highly influential on future films. Dances technically made more money, so you can't say this was the Academy being snobbish, and technically the most successful film of all time was built on the same template that this film created.

I say this as someone who thinks Scorsese is one of the best filmmakers to ever work, but it's just asinine and juvenile to whine and moan that this won over it. And Lawrence of Arabia beat To Kill a Mockingbird. Some years there are multiple good films. Isn't this something to be happy about? I would even argue that Dances was a more ambitious film, and to say it hasn't stood the test of time is ridiculous, it is still a very widely seen film that is highly regarded. Just like Goodfellas.

This idea of turning art into such a petty competition boggles my mind, it really does. I can only hope you're a petty angry 14 year old boy and not an adult with experience behind them. I say that with no meaning to be offensive, just that your point of view is very immature and silly.

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