Friendship
I think the friendship between Kirk, Spok and McCoy are best represented in tthis film. I know this isn't the favorite film of fans, but the characterization of their friendship in this movie is great.
shareI could watch the Yellowstone scenes all day. You're right, this movie really fleshed out the characters and showed what great friends they were. The first movie showed them distant, almost cold toward each other (because years had passed). In Khan and moreso in Search, they became friends again. In the Whale movie, Spock was still sorta... on LDS... but this is the movie where it all comes home. Imo, this is the film that separates the diehard TOS fans (people who liked "The Empath" hah) from the casual fans.
shareYosemite, not Yellowstone. I was actually in Yosemite while the film was being shot, but on a weekend. There was a piece of lumpy fiberboard about 10 feet high at a viewpoint, all by itself because it was a weekend and no shooting was going on, and someone said they were using it for a Star Trek movie. Apparently it was used for the scene of Kirk free-climbing El Capitan and falling off.
Which really made me want to like the film, but I can't. It sucks, it's only entertaining as sci-fi camp (but not nearly as entertaining as "Spock's Brain").
I disagree with your conclusion that it separates the diehards from the casual fans, I say it separates the undiscriminating fans from those with taste!
doh Yosemite, you are correct. What I meant by "diehard TOS fans" is the rare, possibly deluded, individual who loves every single episode. Yes, including "Spock's Brain"!! And the extended version of Star Trek TMP where it takes Kirk 10 minutes to figure out how to get onto the ship in the beginning
shareI actually love "Spock's Brain", because it's so ridiculous it succeeds at a camp level.
Maybe in years to come, I'll start to feel the same way about STV, but not yet! So far, I just feel pain.
"You are not Morg! You are not Iiiiiiii-Morg!!" will be going through my head all day today. Thanks I think....
I think where STV fails (even with diehards) is the somewhat geriatric presentation of our heroes. I'm not just talking about their physical appearance, but the way the film goes they all look tired. That might've been deliberate, since the story itself is somewhat dark and depressing (I mean, seeking God, finding out he's an asshole, then killing him? Sort of a downer in the cosmic scheme lol). But yeah, all 3 of them seem really dark and miserable. Contrast this against Star Trek 6 afterwards where they're pumped up and ready to kick ass. Even though they're like 80 years old it was an action packed heart pounder.
When all the actors in a film look old, tired, and uninspired... I tend to assume that they're not having a good time.
Considering what I've heard about Shatner's ego, I suspect the making of this film may have been, well, a little short of the best time anyone there ever had. I mean, could YOU have a good time when you actually had to say that dialogue?
Or picture Nichelle Nichols reading her script...
Scene #whatever: Nichelle strips naked and does a feather dance because nobody's smart enough to think of a better diversion to get the bad guys' attention, like I dunno, yelling "hey you"?
The more I think about it, my love for this film might fall into the aforementioned "so ridiculous it succeeds at a camp level"
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
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