5 Things You Like + Dislike About Licence to Kill
Since there's already been a thread regarding the other Timothy Dalton Bond movie, The Living Daylights:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093428/board/flat/123686491?p=1
Since there's already been a thread regarding the other Timothy Dalton Bond movie, The Living Daylights:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093428/board/flat/123686491?p=1
Five Things I liked
1.) It has a much different plot that any of the other Bond Films. Bond vs a drug lord which had never happened before.
2.) There weren't any goofy devices that Bond used to rescue himself from peril. He had to rely on (for the most part) himself. I liked TLD, but the car case drove me nuts. The car had lasers, a rocket booster, skis and when it lost a tire Bond used the wheel hub to cut a hole in the ice! Ugh! That was a terrible part to an otherwise great Bond film.
3.) This is IMO the last of the Bond Films. There were still people working on this film that had worked on all of the previous Bond films. As much as I loved Casino Royale it didn't have the same feel as the original Bond films.
4.) There was absolutely NOTHING to like about the bad guys-NOTHING. They were loathsome scumbags!
5.) Carey Lowell and Talisa Soto. I will admit that they both had some scenes that were poorly acted, but they both looked absolutely fantastic in this.
Three things that I didn't like
1.) John Barry wasn't available to compose the score so they hired Michael Kammen to score the film instead. Nothing against Michael ( He did a wonderful job with the first two Lethal Weapon movies!), but John Barry was the guy to go to to score Bond prior to his death.
2.) The fact that this was Dalton's last Bond film. I was never a fan of any of Pierce Brosnan's Bond films. To me he always came across as too much of a pretty boy Bond. It seemed as if saving the world took a back seat to having his hair in exactly the right place.
3.) Bond steals Sanchez's money and deposits it into one of Sanchez's banks then withdraws it in order to put it back on the boat so he can frame the boat captain. However, Sanchez doesn't realize that the money was withdrawn from Bond's account. If I were a bank owner and someone had deposited 4 million into my bank and then withdrew a few weeks afterward I believe that I would most likely know about such a transaction.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Regarding your number 3 dislike - I like to assume he is using a safe deposit box.
shareI liked TLD, but the car case drove me nuts. The car had lasers, a rocket booster, skis and when it lost a tire Bond used the wheel hub to cut a hole in the ice! Ugh! That was a terrible part to an otherwise great Bond film.
Things that I liked about LTK (not necessarily limited to five):
*I commend EON for wanting to stray from the usual Bond formula by making a revenge thriller. In a sense, LTK is the closest that we'll ever get to a follow up to OMHSS (discounting the pre-credits teaser for For Your Eyes Only).
*I liked that they gave Desmond Llewelyn something to do other (basically, the biggest role that he ever got in the Bond series) than give and explain to Bond his gadgets (again straying from the usual Bond formula). Q sort of functions as the middle-man/go-between the British Secret Service, for which Bond is "on leave from".
*Robert Davi gives one of the best villain performances in Bond history. Franz Sanchez could both be charming and sinister. He is also actually pretty multidimensional for a Bond villain, when he kept to his word in paying off Kilifer for busting him out. It's ironically, just like w/ Christopher Walken in A View to a Kill, Christopher Lee in The Man with the Golden Gun, and Telly Savalas in OHMSS, where the villain is arguably cooler and more charismatic then Bond.
*I like the concept of Bond having to rely more on his wits (like the whole Yojimbo angle involving Bond infiltrating Sanchez's operation), since he's being on his own rather than easily rely on his gadgets and physicality.
*Dalton's Bond seems to have a regular personal life (he unlike w/ other Bonds like Connery, Moore or Brosnan, he's not trying to get every hot chick to bone him right from the jump) and deeply cares about people (such as the Leiters and Sharkey) outside of being a secret agent.
*Some of the action sequences/stunt work like the tanker chase at the end, the van carrying Sanchez crashing off the bridge, and the pre-credits title sequence (involving Bond hooking Sanchez's plane) are very well executed.
*Carey Lowell makes a very sexy and feisty (without being too annoying like Halle Berry's Jinx in Die Another Day) female companion/counterpart for Dalton's Bond.
*Patti LaBelle's "If You Ask Me To" during the closing credits. It in a way, was a perfect song to close out the "classic" Bond era before the modern relaunch w/ GoldenEye.
Things I didn't like about LTK:
*There isn't enough at stake. Yes we know that Bond wants revenge on Sanchez for what happened to the Leiters, but still, it doesn't feel as epic as you would normally expect a Bond movie should be. Perhaps more should've been made about Bond having to play cat & mouse w/ MI6 (who are trying to ship him back to London). Bond should've had to face some sort of real consequence for his vigilantism by having to confront M (instead of the final scene w/ Felix on the phone telling Bond that M wants him back as if everything was neatly tied in a bow).
*The production values don't serve the movie well. They really do feel like a bland made-for-TV movie. For a movie that seems to want to mimic Miami Vice, there isn't a whole lot of visual flare. When Timothy Dalton took over, I wish that in retrospect, EON got a fresh creative team instead of keeping John Glen as director for example.
*Some of the dialogue is very clunky, lazy and awkward such as the scene in which Lupe (after only knowing Bond for maybe 2 days and Bond had previously put a knife behind her back) tells Pam and Q that "She loves James so much!" There was also the scene in which Felix despite losing his leg and his wife on their wedding day, is upbeat when talking to Bond on the phone as if nothing traumatic happened.
*Timothy Dalton isn't given enough to do other than act like an angry sourpuss (which is sort of understandable considering the plot, but still, it didn't necessarily have to be a James Bond movie). When he first meets Sanchez in the hotel, you can right away tell that Dalton has a personal agenda ("I'm more of a problem eliminator!") w/ Sanchez. Bond doesn't seem cunning enough w/ his demeanor (in order to properly fool Sanchez into believing that he's on his side). Also, Bond is awfully reckless here (he's really a straight up anti-hero at times), by indirectly getting his allies like Sharkey and Kwang killed.
Man, I really like a lot of your points especially about how Patti Labelle's "If you ask me to" rounds out the series. I always (even as a kid back in 1989) felt that that song and the view of the city during the closing credits was very final. I also really liked how Q actually had a role in this. I am going to watch this film again this week and comment on more of your comments after I do.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
" I always (even as a kid back in 1989) felt that that song and the view of the city during the closing credits was very final"
I thought I was the only one who felt this way.
I probably saw this movie a year or so after it came out (HBO use to play it constantly). I remember thinking (despite what the end credits said) that it was going to be the last Bond film-period. Looking back I think that my reasoning had to do with this movie being SO different from ALL of the previous Bond films. Where were the "Evil Russians" where was Specter, where was the plot to rule the world? None of that was anywhere... It was simply a revenge flick. Yet, despite its simplicity I really enjoyed this film. However, to me, the end of the film felt like the end of an era. The city, the song, the fish winking and thus the obvious breaking of the fourth wall was complete finality. I have heard that this was the final Bond film to have the same people working on it who had been involved since the beginning of the franchise. So, if that is the truth than my gut instinct about this film was right and so was yours. I still feel like it is a wonderful film even if at the same time it is absolutely terrible. .
You are not alone. This is a very underestimated, let alone unappreciated, movie.
As corny as the fish winking at the viewers (especially for such a dark and violent, by Bond standards movie) by the pool (when Bond and Pam are kissing) at the end, for some weird reason, I still find it very charming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0oQGuZePlI
Maybe considering that this was in hindsight, not only Timothy Dalton's final Bond movie, the last Bond movie of the 1980s, but the final Bond movie that we would get for some time (a whopping six years before GoldenEye would come out), it was more like they were telling us "goodbye...for now".
LTK really (if that was the route that they were going for) needed a more modern, edgy director. A director and creative team (and not just holdovers from the Roger Moore era like John Glen) would have catered the films to Timothy Dalton's strengths rather than pulling in one direction while Dalton tried to break new ground with the character by pulling him in a different direction. One suggestion that I read elsewhere was Brian de Palma (even though, EON seems reluctant to want to hire an American director).
shareLiked:
1) Davi, Del Toro, Soto, Lowell, Newton, and Jimmy from Seinfeld. Great casting.
2) Some good stunt sequences, including speargun water skiing, helicopter plane fishing, and 18-wheeler driving on 9 wheels.
3) Chinese Ninjas in Panama.
4) James Bond demonstrated how to don a henchman's scuba rig underwater by flipping it over your head. Very handy after some other henchman has cut your 2nd-stage hose.
5) Cubby Broccoli didn't cave and spell "Licence" the American way.
Disliked:
1) Anthony Zerbe and Terri from Three's Company. Terrible casting.
2) The fake shotgun-blast-hole in the bar, fake laser from Q's Polaroid, and the generally fake look and feel of the entire movie. It looks like it was videotaped instead of filmed and most scenes look like sets and soundstages, not locations - a lot like The Living Daylights, only worse.
3) James Bond's car is a rental Lincoln Mark VII.
4) I started watching it from the beginning about 30 minutes ago and already forgot how the theme song goes and who sang it.
5) The tractor-trailer chase was the epitome of awesomeness until a Kenworth popped a wheelie from a standing start. Probably the fakest JB moment ever. James should have just driven it through the fire and found some creative way to put out the flames.
Liked
The pre-credits sequence
Robert Davi was a good villain
Carey Lowell
The scenes with Q
The scene where Bond is captured by the 'good guys'
Disliked
Dalton's performance. Loved him in TLD. In this his acting is forced and un-natural
The score. It just doesn't work for the most part
The script is weak and has some awful dialogue
The truck chase just isn't that exciting
Awful ending where everything is tied up nicely. Bond has just been on a one man vigilante crusade where many have died because of his actions and he has ruined a Hong Kong narcotics investigation. Yet we are led to believe he's getting his job back!
"Perhaps he's wondering why someone would SHOOT a man before throwing him out of a plane..."
Disliked
The death of Della was it really necessarily? Why couldn't Sanchez hold her for ransom over
the shark tank? If they had to kill her why not have Sanchez dump her in the shark tank in front of Felix. That bride death disturbed me a lot
Bad guy was just trying to expand his drug trade no threat to England unless he was trying
to add Australia to his reaach.
No Q modified vehicle anywhere. I bet Q was happy cause he didn't have to repair any vehicles and then complain about James wrecking it.
Felix No real agent would put his wife's life at risk by chasing some bay guy on his wedding day. He would be on leave ,but in the Bond universe no one gets real leave. Felix not even
being sad over della's death that should have caused him to die of sadness.
liked
Bond taking down Del Toro. Served him right for ruing Felix's wedding night.
Sanchez getting blown up. Makes me wonder if he regretted messing with Felix after seeing
James lighter.
Drug Factory blowing up.
My guess for why Della had to be killed was to better emphasis the fact that Bond himself lost his wife shortly after they were married in OHMSS. Perhaps, that further motivates him (as a personal catharsis of sorts) to seek vengeance against Sanchez and company.
share5 Things I liked
1. The girls were two of the hottest Bond girls ever!
2. It was an interesting action movie.
3. Q was involved!!
4. Sanchez and Dario were very good villains.
5. The locations.
5 things I disliked
1. David Hedison (now 86 years old!) was terrible. The way he said "See you in hell" or whatever badly acted over the top thing he said before the shark attacked him, and the way he laid in his hospital bed, missing limbs and with a freshly dead wife, but was all rainbows and unicorns on the phone with Bond.
2. At times, Dalton was trying to hard to come off like a dick.
3. Carrie Lowell, who still looked great, shouldn't have chopped her hair off. It looked better longer. (even though it was a wig)
4. The theme song was one of Bond's worst, if not his worst.
5. It didn't do well at the box office, which is a shame, because it's a great Bond movie.
I said several times that John Terry (Felix from The Living Daylights) should've been brought back. David Hedison (who of course, previously played Felix in Live and Let Die) to me, was too old to be plausible as Timothy Dalton's 007's American counterpart.
shareLiked:
The Bond girls
Dalton's seriousness
Sanchez one of the more complex and interesting villains in the Bond series
The whole rogue Bond thing, it would be repeated several times in the future
Disliked:
Wayne Newton's role, just so cheesy
Did not care too much for Truman Lodge
Truman Lodge kind of strikes me is if Alex P. Keaton from Family Ties started working for a Colombian drug lord!
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Liked
1. Carey Lowell
2. Bond's escape via barefoot skiing behind the plane. IMO, the greatest Bond escape ever.
3. Talisa Soto and Lowell in a love triangle.
4. Timothy Dalton as James Bond in revenge mode.
5. Sanchez and his sicko thug, Dario, played by Davi and Del Toro, excellent.
6. Bond putting Dario in the coke grinder. Nice.
7. Bond taking care of Sanchez with the lighter. Nice coupe de grace.
8. No gadgets.
9. The realistic bar fight scene.
10. Carey Lowell
Disliked
1. Leiter thinking he can bust Sanchez and then blithely get married.
2. Leiter and Della going back home on their wedding night. Whuh?
3. What happened to Della. Thankfully only alluded to, but that is rough stuff for a Bond movie. I guess every revenge flick has to start with something terrible.
4. Leiter still being alive and being brought back home. Whuh? Crazy.
5. MI6 being willing to pull Bond's license after the guy saved the world/the west/UK at least 10 times by now.
Disliked:
1. It was Dalton's last Bond film
2. That it was ignored by a majority of the movie going public
3. Some of the acting is clunky
4. Production values do seem like a made for TV movie.
5. How this film didn't do anything for the Bond franchise because what came next was downright terrible and insulting.
Liked:
1. The story is sensational. Even though the filmmakers were going in a different direction, they were in reality going back to the spirit of Ian Flemming's wonderful novels.
2. Dalton is phenomenal and he took a brave stand on his Bond performance by portraying him as a lethal and intense assassin. Craig is certainly a sensational Bond, but Dalton was there first.
3. Some people may baulk, but Bond's scene with 'M' is a highlight of this film. For once the pair are not talking about missions, but are having a debate about their professions and how the how professionalism vs the personal can lead into murky waters. When Bond gives his resignation, and M berates him by saying 'We're not a country club 007' is both comedic and tragic. As much as we all like watching 007 on his missions, the man himself would never be able to really leave his past behind.
4. The villains are grotesque, charming and lethal. Davi does a fantastic job as Sanchez, whilst Del Toro's Dario is a sadistic sociopath sidekick. Also Sanchez's plan for world domination, through drug trafficking, bribing high placed officials and investing in business is feasible and realistic.
5. The song at end does have a sadness to it, as if its announcing the end of an era, which sadly happened.
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What's the main problem with the Bond film LICENCE TO KILL?
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The last time I replied to this thread I didn't write five things that I disliked. I only wrote three. So here are five things that I dislike (bringing my total to eight) about this movie
1.) No Kara. While she isn't my favorite Bond girl, I did miss her while I was watching this movie. The main reason for that was that in the prior movie (The Living Daylights) I felt that Bond really loved her. It seemed (to me) that Kara was the first woman that Bond actually loved since the death of his wife.
2.) This doesn't feel like a Bond movie. It feels like an 80s action flick. I guess with the Cold War being over it was harder for the writers to come up with a plot that worked.
3.) Some of the production seemed a bit off. In places it felt like a made for television movie.
4.) Felix Liter being so dang chipper at the end of the film. He lost his leg, and his wife had been murdered, yet he's a ball of happiness?
5.) The casting of Priscilla Barnes as the wife of Felix. Seriously, Terri from Three's Company...
Good point about Kara. Theirs was a great romance. When I saw the beginning of LTK for the first time and Bond is obviously on his way to a wedding, for one short moment I was wondering if those two were going to get married.
shareLiked:
- The score!
- The villains - Sanchez, Dario and Krest were awesome characters!
- The stunt work is phenomenal. The car missing the plane during the tanker chase is jaw-dropping
- The truck chase
- Bond snooping around the boat
Least favourite aspects
- The colour palette isn't a vibrant as other Bond films
- Pam Bouvier is possibly my least favourite Bond girl
- PTS is in bottom 5 PTSs.
- Not enough Moneypenny (grasping at straws)
- Bond didn't pick Lupe at the end.
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Liked:
1.Dalton as Bond
2.Carey Lowell, whille romance is not quite as strong as it is with Kara, Dalton and Pam works fine as equal partners, and have solid chemistry
3.Villains, Snachez might be the best main Bond movie villain ever!
4.Q..one of the better Q movies actually
5.Truck chase, and pay off at the end, when Bond kills Sanchez
Disliked:
1.Love triangle, it felt forced in this movie..although, Pam imitating Lupe always makes me laugh
2.Winking fish
3.I agree about Kara..actually, i would prefer had they made third and final movie with Dalton,before GE which would be conclusion, in which he would be with Kara at the end..but hey, we got what we got.
4.Happy Felix at the end..really?