State of karate today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHlg1MqrxU
shareUnfortunately there is a lot of this type of Karate about these days. It saddens me that these McDojo's can get away with producing this level of (ahem) Black Belt.
shareThey must have stolen their belts from the registration desk.
shareOr bought them from ebay
shareSo what do you do when a parent starts yelling at you because little Timmy has been a white belt in your class for six months and isn’tt being promoted?
share1) A parent wouldn't yell, they would enquire
2) If they did yell I would simply ask them to leave
If they enquired, I would explain that 3 months is the minimum training time between beginner and first grading at our club. Then if they complained that little Billy had been training for the same amount of time as their little Timmy and he has graded already, I would say that children learn at different rates.
Sometimes they accept that and other times they may take them out and put them in a McDojo where they are basically given their belts. The only time I recall it happening and seeing said kid at a later date he was a brown belt who got beaten at Kata by a green belt and beaten in Kumite by an orange belt (both fairly low grades). I didn't say anything to the parents. Didn't need to. The kid never competed again that I heard of. He did take his Black belt shortly afterwards though and his parents used to brag to others that their son was a Black belt.
This is exactly what the OP is referring to when they mention the state of Karate these days. Sad but true in many cases.
Sorta like how Daniel wasn't really a black belt either... Miyagi just gave him (actually stole for him) a black belt.
Explains why get got wasted in his fight against Barnes and only won on a technicality because he stole a point while hallucinating and Barnes was distracted by it.
"If they did yell I would simply ask them to leave."
And if they refused to leave? At what point would you use physical force?
Well according to Miyagi he was that level. His Karate, his rules. This is the point and I've made it many times when you have questioned it. The only standard for blackbelt is the one that organisation or instructor decrees. Hence the state of karate today.
It doesn't explain why he was being wasted by Barnes. Fear was the reason he struggled to cope with Barnes. Once the fear was gone....well, we all know what happened don't we NRC123? Barnes was flipped like a pancake.
If they refused to leave? Call the building security.
At what point would I get physical? At the point I felt I needed to.
The only standard for blackbelt is the one that organisation or instructor decrees. Hence the state of karate today.
The influence of Daniel and Miyagi has definitely hurt the sport. Youngsters think waxing cars and performing household chores will earn them a black belt within a few weeks, not realizing the years of desire, devotion and discipline actually required. Sadly, they have taken the wrong message from the films by embracing the evil and disorganization of Miyagi-do. Silver’s return should hopefully inspire a new generation to embrace the values of honesty, compassion and fair play.
I think Wears falls into the category of instructors who learned their philosophy primarily through Miyagi and went on to indoctrinate their students into doing their housework. It’s similar to the investment bankers who cite Gordon Gekko as their biggest inspiration, completely missing the moral message. share
The youngsters today are not influenced by that at all. But since you mention Miyagi handing out a blackbelt so easily, let's not forget that Johnny does this in Cobra Kai. Silver is a bit like you, a liar! He has no comprehension at all of compassion, honesty or fair play. If he influences anyone at all then it will be for the worse not the better.
I fall in to the category of people who started training two years before the Karate Kid movie even existed, so guess your theory falls flat there NRC123.
Your tacit concession on the matter will be noted.
Johnny does this in Cobra Kai
His training regimen was a lot more rigorous than Miyagi’s. Miguel was made to work a lot harder than Daniel ever was.
If he influences anyone at all then it will be for the worse not the better.
Within just a few sessions, he was able to transform Daniel from an emotional wreck into a winner, capable of defending Jessica’s honor at The Downstairs. The one part of the trilogy where he came across as even remotely admirable.
I fall in to the category of people who started training two years before the Karate Kid movie even existed.
Perhaps you were once on the right path before being led astray and falling under Miyagi’s oriental spell. share
Except his training regimen was not more rigorous than Miyagis
Daniel already had it in him to beat somebody. He beat Chozen after all.
Perhaps you were on the right path and then....well the rest is history isn't it.
Well according to Miyagi he was that level. His Karate, his rules.
So you believe Miyagido was a McDojo then?
At what point would I get physical? At the point I felt I needed to.
Sorta like Kreese physically disciplining his student in the car lot eh?
So you believe Miyagi to be a McDojo then?
No. He's not doing this for profit, he's doing this to help someone and has that persons best interests at heart, not hbis own.
Sorta like Kreese physically disciplining his student in the the car lot eh?
No. Kreese was not confronted by his student so he wasn't even following his own training. He was in fact the aggressor here.
No. He's not doing this for profit, he's doing this to help someone and has that persons best interests at heart, not his own.
The issue is not money.... it's the moral failure of advancing people who do not deserve it, are not prepared for it and will ultimately fail because of it. Of course, this is lost on you because you actually believe that Daniel is a better fighter than Barnes and only got wasted due to Barnes having a temporary phycological edge on him.... an absurd claim on it's face and even Sam Gerard would probably laugh at that.
No. Kreese was not confronted by his student so he wasn't even following his own training. He was in fact the aggressor here.
Kreese was called a loser by his own student in front of his team-mates.. and you believe corporal punishment wasn't warranted?
On a side-note, if Miyagi HAD killed Kreese in that lot.. what do you think Daniel's reaction would have been?
The issue is not money..
Actually it is.
....It's the moral failure of advancing people who do not deserve it and will ultimately fail because of it.
Have you seen the Karate Kid? Miyagi trains Daniel to be able to stand as an equal in the competition against the Kai students. He (Daniel) beats Tommy, Dutch and Johnny in the ring. How is that failing? So ultimately he succeeds, hence he deserves the advancement.
How can you just ignore the facts?
Kreese was called a loser by his student....
Kreese called Johnny a loser first. All you are doing here is saying Kreese can give it but not take it. Hypocrisy at its' finest. And no, corporal punishment wasn't warranted.
On a side note, if Miyagi HAD killed Kreese in that car lot...what do you think Daniels reaction would have been.
Non sequitur seeing as he didn't, but just this once I'll play the what if game. His reaction most likely would have beeb shock that Miyagi would do that. Either way we will never really know.
he deserves the advancement.
So in your opinion Daniel was a legit black belt?
Kreese called Johnny a loser first. All you are doing here is saying Kreese can give it but not take it.
Student's a supposed to treat their sensei's with respect. Kreese merely informed Johnny that he lost the tournament. Johnny responded by calling his own instructor (and war hero) a loser in general. He crossed a line and was punished accordingly.
His reaction most likely would have beeb shock that Miyagi would do that. Either way we will never really know.
What we do know if that Daniel was in shock when Miyagi DIDN'T kill Kreese... let that settle in.
Daniel was a legit blackbelt in Miyagi-do Karate. what part don't you understand?
Respect is a two way thing. Johnny was not punished accordingly, but then you would know that if (A) you knew anything about Karate and (B) you knew anything about the law. Also, Cobra Kai has shown us that Kreese lost respect for his commanding officer and killed him, or are you just going to sweep that under the carpet.
Or, that Daniel was in shock with the whole situation....let that settle in.
Daniel was a legit blackbelt in Miyagi-do Karate. what part don't you understand?
Yeah and people are "legit" black belts in McDojos I guess right?
Also, Cobra Kai has shown us that Kreese lost respect for his commanding officer and killed him.
His CO was a scumbag.
Or, that Daniel was in shock with the whole situation....let that settle in.
Daniel wished that Miyagi has murdered Kreese. End of story.
Yeah and people are legit black belts in McDojos right?
Have you been asleep? Yes, unfortunately they are. This is basically what this whole topic has been about until you hijacked it.
His CO was a scumbag
Why? Because he with held information that Kreeses girlfriend had died and then revealed it to him to take advantage in a fight to the death that they were forced in to? Kreese had the opportunity to be the better man but instead murdered his CO. Years later in the car lot he himself became the scumbag. Difference being, Miyagi didn't murder a beaten man.
Daniel wished that Miyagi had murdered Kreese. End of story.
Well you say that but the movie and the script disagree with you. Daniel merely asks him why he didn't. Now that's end of story.
Yeah and people are legit black belts in McDojos right?
Have you been asleep? Yes, unfortunately they are.
That's not true WA.. please stop corrupting young minds that may be viewing these forums... it's bad enough what you did to Sam Gerard. Someone who gets a black belt from a McDojo is not a legit black belt. Just like the wimps in the OP's video are NOT legitimately sparing.
Why? Because he with held information that Kreeses girlfriend had died and then revealed it to him to take advantage in a fight to the death that they were forced in to?
Yes, that's exactly why.
Well you say that but the movie and the script disagree with you. Daniel merely asks him why he didn't. Now that's end of story.
He asked in shocked incredulity.... listen to his tone "why didn't you (murder) then?" He clearly wished Miyagi had murdered Kreese.
Yes, unfortunately it is true.
But then you would know that if you were involved in Karate. It is sickening, but there is nothing can be done about it. That's how come they even exist. I can stand on a podium and shout about how you need to be a certain standard to be a blackbelt but these places continue churning out these blackbelts who are very poor standard. Because they are within their rights to set their own standards they can legitimately say they are blackbelts and there is nothing can be done about it. I was on a grading panel at the request of a friend and fellow instructor and they let a 10 years old kid take his blackbelt. Halfway through he started crying. When asked why, he said he was hungry. So they let him have a break to have a sandwich and a drink. He was useless. I said straight away that he'd failed but the other 4 on the panel passed him. I refused to sign the certificate and his was the only blackbelt certificate with 4 instead of 5 signatures on it that day. I told the (former) friend that he was cheapening karate and we haven't spoken since. The kid entered his first competition a few months later and was soundly beaten. He never trained again. Guess what though? He is still on their records as a legitimate blackbelt and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Hence, the state of karate today.
So is Terry Silver scum for lying about Kreese being dead? You see you can't have it both ways. Although you being a hypocrite will want it that way.
He asked in shocked incredulity.....
There you go, he was in shock with the whole scenario. Your opinion on whether he wanted Kreese murdered is pure speculation and is dismissed out of hand.
See you tomorrow.
Because they are within their rights to set their own standards they can legitimately say they are blackbelts and there is nothing can be done about it.
WA you make no goddamn sense. According to your logic one bum on the street can bump into another bum and say "Hey there fellow riffraff, I'm going to hereby declare you a black belt!" The other bum says "Great! I'm now a LEGIT black belt in the eyes of WA!" LOL
Regarding the crying kid asking for a snack, any self respecting tournament would have his ass (and his parents) literally thrown out the doors (head first) and kicked to the curb in disgrace.
I bet that kid grew up watching Daniel stuffing his fat face with mac and cheese and (ahem) "winning" tournaments so he thought nothing of it. I bet his parents disapprove of Terry Silver's training methods as well.
This is what the world is coming to and you're aiding and abetting this abject decline of society with the nonsense you post.... THIS IS A KARATE DOJO NOT A KNITTING CLASS!
There you go, he was in shock with the whole scenario.
NO! You are speculating Daniel would be shocked if Miyagi killed Kreese. It's a FACT that Daniel was shocked when he DIDN'T kill him!
Again your lack of understanding comes up with something ridiculous. Which means that is according to YOUR logic. Go away and learn about it rather than making yourself look foolish AGAIN!
Any self respecting tournament would have been beyond his reach in the first place. Unfortunately some tournaments are happy to take entry money.
His parents would have disapproved of any training where the kid had to exert himself too much.
Except I'm not aiding and abetting. It was me who failed him and wanted no further part in it. WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID?
NO. You are the one speculating here.
Class dismissed.
You completely misread his point.
shareYou mean your point, surely.
I mean, you are the same person after all.
WA- How is a bum on the street being declared a black belt by another bum any less legit than Miyagi awarding Daniel a black belt?
Because the bum on the street doesn't do karate. Perhaps he could award him some kind of vagrancy grade, who knows?
Miyagi awarded Daniel a blackbelt in Miyagi-do karate. Nobody outside of Miyagi-do karate can quantify whether or not Daniel is worthy of it. I know it's hard for you to accept (it's hard for me to accept) but that's just how it is.
Because the bum on the street doesn't do karate.
But what if he says he does? What if he claims his drunken stumbles are, in fact, part of bum-do karate? Who are you to say otherwise?
Miyagi awarded Daniel a blackbelt in Miyagi-do karate.
*stole Daniel a blackbelt
Well if he does then he can.
Who are you to say otherwise?
Whether he stole it or not he still awarded the belt to Daniel. The belt itself though is the physical representation of the awarded grade, so either way eh?
Now stop commenting on things you have no knowledge or understanding of you as if you are some kind of authority on the matter, you fucking idiot!
You dodged my question just like Daniel running out of the ring leaving a trail.
Your question was answered. Read my reply again.
Your tacit concession here is noted and consider the matter now closed.
I’m thinking the story you told about the hungry boy testing for his black belt was you.
shareNon sequitur
Consider it dismissed and your tacit concession noted.
Daniel wasn’t qualified to enter the tournament in the first place since Miyagi-Do was not certified. His entry alone turned the tournament into a farce. You would think after all these years he would come clean that his legacy was built on a lie.
shareYour tacit concession on the whole matter has already been noted.
shareWould you consider a street bum a legit black belt if he was proclaimed to be one by another bum?
Answer the question otherwise you and I are gonna have a problem!
Already answered it. Can't you read? Why are you so stupid?
Here you go AGAIN!
Well if he does and he claims his stumbles are Bum-do karate, then yes he can award the other bum a black belt.
Hence the OP's thread starter about the state of Karate today.
Okay so you believe if anyone claims to be a black belt then they ARE a legitimate black belt.
You look like a FOOL WA.
I told you I would destroy you on this dojo.
That is the exact opposite of what I said.
I am saying that people can claim to be a blackbelt in their own style and there is nothing anyone can do about that. I could explain to you how and why this goes on but you are too ignorant (either by choice or just genuinely so) to understand. This type of thing is why the OP goes on about the state of Karate today.
Consider yourself schooled on the matter several posts ago.
Seeing as you have nothing of substance to offer on the matter, your tacit concession is noted.
I am saying that people can claim to be a blackbelt in their own style and there is nothing anyone can do about that.
Well of course.. someone can also claim the moon is made of cheese and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Doesn't mean it's a legitimate statement.
My question is (which you consistently avoid) is the drunken bum on the street a LEGITIMATE black belt just because he claims to be?
Not avoiding your question at all. The fact that you don't understand is the problem.
So go on smart ass, define what you think a legitimate black belt is, then I will pull your ridiculous thought apart by telling you something you are oblivious to despite being told numerous times.
A legitimate black belt is someone with a basic competency in a real martial art. Someone who has advanced through all previous color belt ranks comprising a structured path of knowledge/mastery in that martial art as judged/awarded by a recognized martial arts master.
This isn't Daniel as Miyagi wasn't a real martial artist just as is isn't a bum on the street either.
That is so wrong that I don't know where to begin.
First off the coloured belt thing is a western thing. Second, a persons competency is based on the requirements of that styles instructor. He/She decides the level within their style/group. Different styles/groups (organisations and associations) have different requirements and standards. Open invitation competitions came about because people/instructors wanted to pit their styles and standards against others. Your group (speaking figuratively here) cannot impose their standard on my group and vice versa. As such this has eventually given rise to people coming out of the woodwork claiming to be masters in some made up style. Because they aren't part of any group other than their own, they can do this without anybody challenging their standard. They may never be recognised by other groups, but that doesn't stop them being allowed to do this. If they ever enter in to an open competition and are accepted, then the group running that competition are accepting them as blackbelts or whatever grade their members are claiming to be.
There is a club in my town that gives gradings based on how many press ups or sit ups you can do. They don't even actually do Karate as far as can be seen. But you know what? They are
allowed to do this because that is THEIR standard! I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN. NO CLUB OR ORGANISATION HAS ANY SAY IN THE STANDARD FOR GRADINGS (BLACKBELT INCLUDED) OF ANOTHER GROUP OR ORGANISATION.
Hence the state of Karate today.
Because they aren't part of any group other than their own, they can do this without anybody challenging their standard.
So if their black belt standard is how much mac and cheese they can stuff into their face you wouldn't challenge that?
How stupid are you? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?
I can't challenge the standard that another group decides for its' own members. Nobody can. Their group, their rules.
I win.
shareDeliberately obtuse it is then
shareSon you are forgetting yourself.
shareyour tacit concession is noted
shareSolitary... a month!
shareThe plane boss, the plane!
shareTwo months!
shareDa plaaaaannnne!!!!!!
I wish I could tell you that WA fought the good fight.. that the Sisters let him be. But prison is no fairy tale. He never said who did it.. but we all knew that it was Sam Gerard.
shareNot to intrude on your conversation but I HATE parents like that.
Ok, please continue :)
The fact that Wears is a certified sensei tells you everything you need to know about the state of karate.
shareIf you choose to believe that I am a bad instructor with dodgy credentials then you are agreeing with my points.
Thank you, your tacit concession is noted
What do your students think of the films and Cobra Kai? Are they misguided like you or do they appreciate the values of honesty, compassion and fair play?
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