A good movie but...


I used to watch this movie constantly when I was very very small.

Now I am a teenager. I found this in the back of my video cabinet a couple of weeks ago, and put it in the VCR just for the memories.

Does anyone else find this movie sort of creepy in a surreal way? It sort of sent chills down my spine. I don't know why, exactly. (The owl part has always scared me, but God...) It's a very cute movie but for some reason I find it unexplainably weird.

Anyone else feel the same?

You're just an empty cage girl if you kill the bird...

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You might fined it creepy based on the fact that most (if not all) the animals in the movie where killed in the process of making it. I forget where the movie was made but they have no animal rights laws there and every time they had to do a stunt with one of the animals they just let them die. I always found this movie disturbing but never knew why. I think that in the back of my mined I may have knew that all the animals where killed and thus the creepynes. Or maybe I just found it creepy for no reason and think I know more than I do.

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ah, most ignorant american mindset can no comprehend most elegant beauty in Milo and Otis, blah blah blah...

I love these boards. Evert time someone "American" or perceived to be an "American" says anything mildy critical (or, yes, sometimes flat-out wrong) about any foreign production, it's a free for all. The internet is wonderful, really, but the anonymity afforded by the medium just gives some people the cover they need to act like jackasses.

I've travelled extensively in my life, and I can honestly say that every country I have been to has unappealing aspects to it. If, for example, the author of the third post down happened to be Japanese, I could point out that the sexism inherent in Japanese culture seems pretty ignorant to me. I could also point out that women are so frequently groped in Japanese subways that a few municipalities have experimented with "women only" cars. I could mention "Rapeman" comics, the market in schoolgirl panties (that is to say worn garmets being purchased by adult men, at one point in vending machines), and so on. But I'm sure there is some elevated cultural reason for all the aforementioned nonsense, right?

Of course, I only assume that this individual is Japanese because that is the impression I garner from his or her syntax in the post. I could be wrong, however, and if that person would like me to point out any deficiencies in whatever country they are from, by all means make it known - you certainly weren't shy about making generalizations about Americans, so step right up.

One more word to people in "overseas markets" as they would say in Hollywood: If you think American movies are crap - and a lot of them are - don't go to see them. Much of the time any given movie's overseas gross makes the difference between a profit and a loss, or a profit and a huge profit. Really, if people overseas weren't providing the bonus gate for a lot of this crapola, it wouldn't get made. So do us all a favor: stay home.

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Thank you! Very well put. I admit without reservation that there is a lot of stupidity in American culture, but I also dislike hypocracy. Thank you for pointing out what needed to be pointed out.

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actually it doesnt matter whether ur american or not, if ur british, australian, asian, whatever you will still get crap from people about where ur from.
americans probably more so here because its an american site.
oh and most people hate america.

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albinofawnproductions = typical I'm so much smarter then your country, I'm going to be ignorant myself internet chat user. *yyawn*



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...hey thats nice to know, seeing as you have no proof of your incessant ramblings.
is there even one single thread of truth in there? or did you just read what some other dumb *beep* on here wrote when they saw a movie they didnt like and regurgitate it?

maybe its just in the back of ur "mined" u knew you were an idiot, and it scared you.

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I know what you mean about the creepiness. I think though its because there isnt one human being throughout the whole of the film. I found that a bit weird.

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I think a lot of Japanese films have a sort of creepy and surreal quality, and I agree that the lack of human characters may have contributed in this case. In response to the person who complained about animal cruelty, however, I think the rumors you've heard may be a bit exaggerated. I've heard other people say that animals were killed during the filming, but then again I've also heard people say that they were merely harassed and addled a bit by the filmmakers. I imagine the truth is somewhere between the two extremes.

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I thought it was weird that all of the voices were done by one man, no matter what animal it was.

"But why is the rum gone?" Isn't that from Pirates?

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That was always one of my favorite parts, having the entire thing be narrorated by Dudley Moore. As for the animals, the filmmaker spent several years filming them as they behaved naturally. They weren't intentionally harmed, and I'm sure that if there had been issues, like in the bits with the bear and the cat, someone would've stepped in to keep the bear from killing the cat. The footage was pieced together and a story was added afterwards, so the animals weren't forced to behave in any certain way to make the story work.

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I had the sinister surreal feeling because throughout the entire movie, for a long time, it was one bad thing after another. Another was that traces of humanity existed (The farmhouse, the box, the shack, the tram/train/car thingy) though no humans at all were shown. It made me ask questions when I was younger and didn't understand these things: "Where are the farmhouse owners?" "Who lives in that shack?" "Who feeds the dogs?"

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Like many people here, I have recently dug this movie up after it had been packed away for about 13 years. Questions did pop up in my head while watching it, like about the treatment of the animals. I hope you all are right about the filmakers being careful, but I can't see how they could get a bear and a cat so close together in so many shots without at least a couple of mistakes happening. It is still one of my childhood favorites and brings back many memories of watching it with my grandparents.

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lol, "mistakes". i'm sure they didn't like throw a box full of kittens into the bear's cage during feeding time every day, but i don't think the guy was especially careful with the animals. but if lobsters were cute and cuddly people wouldn't drop them live into pots of boiling water. oh, and by the way, homestarrunner sucks ass.

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Here is an essay about Milo and Otis I found online:

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I've been interested in rumors about "The Adventures of Milo and Otis" for some time, but I've never been able to resolve this to my satisfaction, but pardon me while I ramble on. (In the end, I think we need to enlist the help of someone who's familiar with Japanese and has access to Japanese press clippings.)

In any event, if it were up to me, I'd have to give this an "undetermined" status.

In a nutshell, it seems to come down to the issue of why Masanori Hata had to use so many "Milos" or "Otises" in the making of his film. Were thirty "Milos" needed because so many kittens were killed during the filming of dangerous stunts? Or did the filmmaker need multiple kittens because each cat aged over the four years it took to complete filming? Or, were some kittens better at performing certain tasks (like scampering) while others were needed for other acts (like looking adorably into the camera or playing with puppies)?

Perhaps the answer lies in a melding of all three.

In August, 1989, Columbia Pictures released "The Adventures of Milo and Otis," a revamped version of the enormously popular Japanese film "Koneko Monogatari: The Adventures of Chatran," which had debuted in Japan three years earlier. As I understand it, "Koneko Monogatari" ("A Kitten's Story") was somewhat less about plot than it was about visual aesthetics; in essence, this was an arty film and not a children's film.

As early as October, 1986, a few months after "Koneko Monogatari" debuted in Japan, rumors about animal cruelty began popping up in Japan and elsewhere. The Economist [1] noted that,


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Chatran's life is full of trials and tribulations, many of them to do with being soaked to the skin, like falling over a waterfall in a wooden box or plummeting from a cliff into the sea. It is hard to see how he survived. Indeed, according to Japan's biggest animal-rights group, he did not. Or, to be accurate, a third of the 30 Chatrans used did not.
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Such allegations notwithstanding, a few US studios looked at the amazingly successful movie with a view toward releasing it in the States as a children's film. Executives at Columbia picked it up, working on it in their spare time with a limited budget.

In September, 1989, a month after "The Adventures of Milo and Otis" debuted here, The Wall Street Journal ran a lengthy piece [2] on Columbia's handling of the film:


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The movie germinated when well-known Japanese author Masanori Hata, who owns a huge ranch abounding with animals, made a series of nature films with Japan's biggest commercial TV network, Fujisankei's Fuji TV unit. The films were so successful that Fuji made "The Adventures of Chatran," a movie about a young cat who finds himself floating down a river in a box and spends nearly a year away from home, all the while pursued protectively by a pug dog.

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Executives on both sides of the Pacific agreed the film needed to be overhauled, Americanized. "It needed to be tailored to American kids who watch 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,' " says Brandt Reiter, an account executive at Fujisankei.

And there began the real adventures of Milo and Otis.

Jim Clark, the Oscar-winning editor of "The Killing Fields," was assigned to re-edit. Fuji supplied him with almost 70 hours of extra footage. "Some might say we vulgarized it," says Mr. Clark, "but we felt it was on the arty side." The recipe? Lose the poetry. Quicken the pace. Add a long, zany sequence wherein the dog and cat adopt a newborn chick. Add a sea turtle. Bring in a star, Dudley Moore, to narrate the film and do animal voices.

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With [children under 10] in mind, Columbia's editors removed graphic scenes of animals fighting and toned down other scary parts. The cat, renamed Milo, still takes a long plunge off a cliff into the ocean, but scenes of him trying in vain to climb back up were cut. (Taming such scenes was also done with animal-rights activists in mind. Studio executives "were terrified of the animal-cruelty people," says Mr. Clark, hastening to add that Columbia hasn't any reason to believe there was any mistreatment involved.)
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Despite Columbia's position that there was no basis to the allegations of abuse during the filming of "Koneko Monogatari," however, rumors about animal cruelty -- particularly with reference to the number of animals used -- were at least acknowledged immediately after the debut of "The Adventures of Milo and Otis" here. A review in a New Jersey newspaper [3] noted that:


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All [the scenes in which Milo and Otis appear to be in danger] may be momentarily unsettling for young viewers, but, as one might expect, a happy ending is forthcoming. (The entire film runs 76 minutes). Then, too, it's comforting to see in the closing credits that "the animals used were filmed under strict supervision with the utmost care for their safety and well-being."

Director Masanori Hata, a trained zoologist and author who writes under the pen name Mutsugoro, cast the movie from a private menagerie of almost 300 animals that he keeps on Hokkaido, Japan's northernmost island. It took Hata, who wrote the story on which the screenplay is based, four years, more than 400,000 feet of film, and dozens of animals (30 different cats played Milo, for example), to complete "The Adventures of Milo and Otis."
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I'm unsure where the film reviewer for The Toronto Star [4] got the following bit of information (but it's a claim repeated by a reviewer for The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette a year later), but here's a possible explanation for why Hata may have used so many cats:


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The secret is that Hata is not just a director, but a trained zoologist with a private farm of hundreds of animals. Even so, getting the right shots and movements from his menagerie was a painstaking process that turned "Milo And Otis" into a four-year endeavor.

And because the movie revolved around a kitten and puppy, Hata had to keep replacing the aging animals with younger ones as the project stretched on. In the end, dozens of Milos and Otises played the two parts.
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In the summer of 1990, The Washington Times [5] looked at the rumors:


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["The Adventures of Milo and Otis"] was released in New York and Los Angeles last year, and ought to have made it down to us by the end of that summer. It waited a while, however, and for unclear reasons. Perhaps not coincidentally, it was around this time that animal-protection groups heard about an article in a Japanese newspaper reporting rumors that animal being used had somehow died during filming. And indeed, a look at the movie's script revealed scenes in which Milo, the cat, falls from a high sea cliff, while Otis, the dog, is seen trudging, naked-pawed, through drifts of real snow.

Had the filmmakers committed acts of lethal cruelty? Along with groups in Europe, the Hollywood branch of the American Humane Society investigated -- but found nothing suspicious.

The Humane Society continues to harbor doubts about the whole idea of showing domestic pets at large in the wilderness. Humans may get the impression that dogs and cats can survive under harsh outdoor conditions, and unintentionally endanger their own pets. A casual aside in press materials noting that the filmmakers had "bred" cats to serve as additional, backup Milos might also prompt concern.
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(The Humane Society doesn't seem to have section on use of animals in films, and for some reason "The Adventures of Milo and Otis" isn't included in The American Humane Association's current index of film ratings index, though this may have been the AHA's position when the film debuted in the States.)

-- Bonnie

[1] From "Japanese moviegoers' love affair with a real cute cat," The Star-Tribune (Minneapolis-St. Paul); originally printed in The Economist (London); Metro, Pg. 29A; 26 October 1986.

[2] From Richard Turner's "Japanese film sells in U.S., but as a different animal," The Wall Street Journal; 5 September 1989.

[3] From "A fairy tale of wags and whiskers," The Bergen County [New Jersey] Record; Lifestyle/Previews, Pg. 6; 25 August 1989.

[4] From Henry Mietkiewicz's "There are no fleas on Milo and Otis," The Toronto Star; Entertainment, Pg. D8; 27 August 1989.

[5] From David Klinghoffer's "That 'Milo and Otis': A pair of likable wags," The Washington Times; Arts & Entertainment, Pg. E3; 18 June 1990.]

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So, do you think that lobsters' ugliness is what makes people kill them? I don't know about you, but I thought the chickens, cows and piglets and other "edible" creatures in Milo and Otis were pretty cute, and that doesn't stop people from killing them.
Gah, the ignorance here is killing me.

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All the traces of humanity are a bit marie celeste-ish I think.

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so u must have never been a fan of thomas the tank engine, fireman sam, postman pat or any other childrens show when you were growing up?

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I love this movie. I watch it at least once a year(it's a tradition, the night before we leave vacation I watch it). And for me, it doesn't have a creepy feel. When I was young I got worried when it was dark, because I was scared for little Milo. Now it just kind of awes me. It's a pure movie, it's just animals frolicing and living in a natural state. In that sense I consider it surreal, but not creepy. But I love this movie to pieces. I seriously need to get an orange cat and when I do I will name it Milo. (That is after I get a cat and name it Rufus)

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I really like this movie. My kids love it. They laugh and laugh. They're three and one. I think its amazing how they piece it together to look as though it was filmed that way.

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Wow. I know JUST what you mean, Cornflake girl. When I was very little, this movie would air on TV sometimes, and I watched it a lot. One day I asked my mom, "What was that movie called, the one I saw on TV with the cat floating in the box...?" And she said, "Milo and Otis." So I went out and bought it. It is a GREAT movie, but definitely rather eerie. The lack of human characters, the narrator's style of narration, the plain old creepiness of some of the scenery too! The part where Otis finds the box and there's this cackling black bird on top of it, and a feather inside? The part where Milo's floating down the river? It's all pretty creepy.

Yet I adore the movie...how both animals end up having babies and meeting all kinds of other creatures, and finally go home...it's one of my favorite 'lost animal' movies from my childhood. Along with the Homeward Bound movies, 'The Incredible Journey,' and 'Napoleon' (which is geared toward younger kids mainly but also has a great song in it and some great voice talent.)

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Meh... I think the fact that halfway through this film I kept thinking "What are they doing to that poor cat??" kind of creeped me out. And like everyone else says, the lack of humans in it kind of made it have an odd feel.
But other than that no creepiness. I watch this movie as often as I can and I finally BOUGHT a copy of it after many years.

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I did the very same thing. I watched this movie a thousand times as a small child and loved every second of the film, so, trying to bring back some memories, I ran out and bought the DVD. And yes, after watching the movie again I was a bit troubled, especially with Milo. It was really hard to watch this poor cat getting pinched on the nose by a crab (ever get one of those suckers on your finger?!?) watching him meow in fear as he approached the waterfall, dealing with that bear, getting caught in a tree with a hungry snake chasing after him. And yes, that owl is still as creepy as ever. But, I believe that the filmmakers were responsible people and took care of the animals (otherwise it wouldn't be a children's movie, would it?) And I'm sure a lot of us gullible Americans jump to conclusions after seeing these scenes and factoring in the fact that it is a Japanese film, and "we all know how different it is over there in Japan" But to this day and beyond, I will always love and cherish this movie.

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I remember when I was just four and I saw poor Milo in the box, being carried away by the river flow. I cried so loud that my brother joined me and our mom had to hang up the phone. 'Excuse me, I have to hang up, my kids are crying, I don't know why!' she said. I believe that seeing that small animal in distress traumatized me somehow, this is one of the furthest memories I have.
I saw a few clips many years later and again, still choked up, but it wasn't because its beauty, but because of the unfortunate situations the poor animals were in. I've always a problem with animals apparently being mistreated on screen because even if it's not the filmmakers' intention, how can they be sure? They can't read animals' mind, can they? I also realize that the narration makes the story all more dramatic but all I can recall about that movie is me crying. Anyway, I'll have to watch it again from an adult point of view and see how I feel now...
I had to share this, I'll never forget the first time I saw this movie.


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