The way they portray autism in this is as some awful disease that makes you have an IQ worse than forest gump. And apparently people with autism need help performing daily tasks.
What horse *beep* I'm autistic and I'm nothing like this jackass. I'm actually the same but just lack basic social skills which makes it hard to talk to others. That's it. I go downtown by myself/cook/read/ and hang out with friends
Goddam stereotypes
I'm in the same boat you are, but don't forget, this was made in 1988 so Autism wasn't as well known as it is today.
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It's really a huge spectrum,l so that's most of it,,
shareYeah but this film absolutly popularized the autistic stereotype. Part of the reason people think so lowly of autistics is this
. I really don't exagarte when I say this film effected my life more than any other. The reason people think lowly of autistics is this movie
You gotta point, but on the other hand this movie (at least back in 1988) gave the neurotypicals and auties alike about what people with autism can do rather than picture them as monsters. The movie would not work in 2013 considering the backlash that us with autism will have on the film.
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The movie would not work in 2013 considering the backlash that us with autism will have on the film.What type of backlash would that be? Are you agreeing with RomeoinDespair that Raymond is a "jackass" and do you think that there would be a large amount of autistic people who complain that the film portrays everyone with the disorder as jackasses? I don't think there is the slightest chance in the world that that would happen. I think most people with autism, just like most people in general, would think the film portrays Raymond positively. And it's obvious that it does. So I don't see how there could possibly be any type of "backlash" against the film for anything like the OP is talking about. If there was, I guarantee that the autism advocacy groups would be very unsympathetic to the individuals engaging in this backlash. To say that Raymond's behavior makes him a "jackass" is showing extreme ignorance towards those with autism, or at least severe autism. From my understanding, the film was generally well received by autistic groups and people with autism. There's no doubt that the OP's views about this are extremely unusual. share
While I'm not certain that this movie portrays autism correctly, I, an autistic person, still enjoy this film. I hope that you are not offended by my opinion. And I wouldn't say that most people think lowly of autistic people because of this movie. There are some stupid people out there like Jenny McCarthy who says stupid things and for some odd reason people think that being mentally retarded and autistic are the same thing. This movie makes Raymond look really smart most of the time if not a little quirky. He brings most of the humor to this film. I really don't know why most autistic people hate this film but I don't know that many, if any, in my personal life.
shareSOME people with autism DO need help with daily tasks, ok not you but there are different types/levels of autism. Not everyone is the same.
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there are different types/levels of autism. Not everyone is the same.
No, you are nothing like Raymond, you are much worse than him. "Jackass"? Really? He has autism, while you have Aspergers or high-functioning autism. Autism is a disorder of large range. There are huge differences between any two random guys. And you try to insult a quite sympathetic character with the aim of making yourself feel better. No you are the real jackass!
I am generally quite fond of Aspies, but you apparently not similar to them.
Not all autistic people are the same. Some are similar to Raymond, and some are not.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
True..as I sid, above, it's a spectrum, a large one.I agree on this film being an annoying take on autism, though, back in that year, 1988, it was considerably lesser known,. I do say,once again..it's a high range. Raymond was VERY low-functioning..(I'm on the highest end myself.)
Regardless, it did give 80s-90s cartoons and sitcoms a huge range, just as huige as the spectrum..of cultural refs..
It is unbelievably ironic that in your last sentence you complain about stereotypes when your entire post consists of stereotyping all autistics based on one character in one film. It doesn't matter that you may have a milder form of autism yourself and that you apparently didn't form an opinion of people with the disorder based on the character. You still made an assumption that one person with the disorder represented everyone who has it. That's stereotyping. The fact that you just assumed the filmmakers were making this interpretation and didn't actually form a belief about this yourself doesn't change that fact. As Pierre, Howlin, and Skeletor said, the film was about one person with autism. It was not attempting to portray everyone with the disease any more than a film about a chef or a police officer is attempting to suggest that every chef or police officer has the same type of personality, intelligence, or other traits as that character.
There are numerous differences in severity that people with autism have. There are people like Raymond. In fact, there are many people whose autism is even more severe than him. Furthermore, I believe at the time this film was made people with milder forms of autism, such as yourself, were not considered to be autistic. The word "Asperger's" didn't even exist. So even if your complaint did make sense (which it doesn't) about the movie focusing on an autistic with more severe problems it wouldn't even be a correct criticism based on the time period. When the movie was made those with what is now considered to be mild autism or Asperger's were not considered to be autistic. If you think it is so horrible that you are being lumped into the same disorder as Raymond your complaint should be with the medical community rather than the film. There are people who do believe that mild autistics shouldn't be labelled with the same term and that there should be more of a separation in the labeling between those with severe and mild autism. I don't see what the huge need for that would be. In your post you show the same contempt towards severe autistics as the contempt from others towards you that you complain about in your second post. It's OK apparently for you to call someone a "jackass" because he has a more severe form of autism and displays the resulting behaviors but you wouldn't tolerate the same things said about you as a result of your mild autism. Perhaps you ought to be more empathetic about these things.
Re AS, Hans Asperger's papers had just been translated by Lorna Wing in 1985 - so the UK cinematic release of this film was 6 months after I was diagnosed with AS at the Maudsley... (1987 - I was 16).
Kanner's work was better known across the board at the time..
I go downtown by myself/cook/read/ and hang out with friends.
My daughter is autistic, she can't write what you posted on imdb. She struggles everyday for someone to help her. This movie to me makes sense. I feel like Tom cruise feels, trying to figure out things. For you to say that this movie is wrong makes me think that you are a troll. I am so angry at this post.
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