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This movie is dark, the book is not.


I would like to clear up a bit of the nonsense some people have stated in some of the reviews. A couple posters claimed this version of the book is "scary and dark" just like the original Lewis Carroll story. It's clear they haven't actually read the book because there's nothing dark in it – it is a whimsical look at how children perceive the world of adults. How can people, who claim to know what the book is all about, make such incorrect remarks? My guess is that they haven't actually read the book. Here is some evidence that they don't know what they are talking about:

One of the posters mentions Tweedledum and Tweedledee as key elements of the plot. These character are not in “Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,” they appear in “Through the Looking Glass.” Whether the sword fighting cards in this movie are supposed to be Tweedledum and Tweedledee is open to debate. He is further confused when he states that the Frog-Footman is supposed to be the Cook from the original story. There was a Frog-Footman in the the book but it is in fact the White Rabbit who steps in for both the Cook and the Duchess in this movie. The poster goes on to state that Alice was arrested and put on trial in the book – this is flat out wrong. The Knave of Hearts is the one on trial and Alice was never arrested.

For people claiming to know what Lewis Carroll really intended, they evidently know very little about his book. The irony is that one of those posters lamented that most people are exposed to "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" through the various movie and T.V. adaptions rather than through reading the story. I think these gothy, pseudo-intellectual types need to stop looking for "darkness" in every piece of art they come across and get their classic literature from the books instead of American McGee.

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Seeing all of the dissenting responses here, I think it's safe to
say that some of us, at least, find the books to contain at least
some "scary and dark" material.
I've read both Wonderland and Looking Glass, original format and many
others. I'm a huge fan. While they are not horror stories, or
even overall very frightening, to speak as if they contain nothing
dark is rather unperceptive.
Many of us were no doubt indoctrined in the Disney version, which
is a very bright and rosey view of Wonderland. Yet even there, we see
Alice as a lost, crying little girl, alone in a strange land where normal
rules do not apply; one can lose their head at the Queen's whim,
babies tossed and turned into pigs, constant danger and few friends.
I often feel the caterpiller is the only character to give her any real help
(advice) at all.
What about The Jabberwocky from Looking Glass? It does not support this
movie, but it does give us a further view on Alice and Carrols
mindset.
This film was one directors personal vision, a "retelling", and compared
to many versions relatively faithful to many story points. As a fan of
both the books and surreal cinema, I enjoyed it very much.

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I will have to agree with the OP. I love different versions of Alice in Wonderland, however; the books were anything but dark. They were just plain old quirky.


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I'll chime in on the side of agreeing with the OP generally, in that the books did not seem overtly dark to me. I read them when I was 12 or so when they seemed fairytale-like, and again later, after a logic professor explained to the class that they were "wonderful excercises in logic". At that time, I did indeed see that aspect of them that suggested that Carroll may have been using the narrative to illustrate common errors in logic and the deceptiveness of language (for example, to mean what you say =/= to say what you mean). Neither reading came across as "dark", although some of it was weird and disturbing (i.e. the baby/pig).

Since we can all interpret this text any way we want, I'd say this film is a pretty fascinating interpretation which I enjoyed. What annoys me however, are reviews like "Andy(film critic)" which states more than once that the books were intended to be dark. That may be Andy's view, but if Lewis Carroll didn't state that himself, then he has no business proclaiming it as if it were an established fact. Unless, of course, Andy has necromancer powers to communicate directly with the deceased-- that would be so cool!

Say Andy(film critic), wherever you are, could you ask Joseph Smith where he put those golden plates?




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I'm watching one of the director's films at the moment which is why I looked this film up, which I saw many years ago and was the stuff of nightmares.

I have read the books as an adult and found them to be works of genius. What some here interpret as darkness I just feel are disturbing i.e. to make you uncomfortable rather than scared almost in the way Roald Dahl's books for children do (in which horrible people have nasty deaths but that's OK because they're nasty).

What comes across more to me in the books is the foundations of surrealist humour you are most likely to find with the Pythons. The book is full of logical arguments during which Alice, who is an exceptional girl, more than holds her own. This is all happening in Alice's mind anyway and while she gets frustrated and annoyed with her world, is she really ever terrified?

Not to say this film is not a tremendous work of imagination but the books really are not anything like as scary, as you will see in some of the non- Disney interpretations, so I have a large about of sympathy with the OP's viewpoint.

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People just perceive things differently. What's funny to some may be sad to others.

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