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I Believe Lee Harvey Oswald Acted Alone...


Pretty funny that three years later Kevin Costner went on to play DA Jim Garrison in JFK, who most certainly did not think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

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I hear that. When this movie comes on I rewind the DVR so I can hear Costner say that over and over. The irony is palpable.

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And he played a wannabe baseball player in Field of Dreams. Oh my.

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Actually, he played a guy who's father was a wannabe baseball player. Costner's character had grown disillusioned with the game as a teenager due to his father trying to relive his dreams through his son.

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And of course as we approach the 50 year anniversary of JFK's assassination, there are still plenty who think Oswald didn't act alone, the CIA killed Kennedy, yada yada yada......

Then again, 10% of Americans think the moon landing was faked, so there you go...


Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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I think the percentage that do believe Iraq was linked to 9/11 and that we did in fact find WMDs there is even more frightening. JFK's assassination at least has an air of mystery and gravity to it that it makes sense for people to think it couldn't just be one man who killed the most powerful individual human being on the planet at the time. Thats the nature of symbolic power, particularly when its resident within a single man.

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And currrently, about 40% believe donald trump has never told a lie, so there YOU go. ; )

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What a logical fallacy!

There is plenty of evidence more than one shooter fired at Kennedy.

There is NO evidence the moon landing was faked.

Two compare the two is to weaken your own credibility.

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Regarding the moon landing being faked, the government has been proven to have lied to the American people as far back as the late 40's with Roswell (and about many other subjects), so to give it a free pass saying it couldn't have possibly done anything similar regarding A moon landing somewhat lacks objective credibility.

The premise of a possibly faked moon landing could be said to apply only to the FIRST one, since not all conspiracy theorists limit themselves to the black or white, either/or idea that ALL U.S. moon landings were faked.

The fact that many who defend the "official" story always try to discredit people who pose the possibility by deliberately trying to portray them as believing the U.S. has never landed on the moon AT ALL illustrates the questionable intent of ONLY wanting the subject viewed in an either/or manner...a logical fallacy indeed considering the total number of moon landing missions.

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so to give it a free pass saying it couldn't have possibly done anything

Nobody is saying that the proof they landed on the moon is that "the gov wouldnt lie to us"
Its the mountains of evidence that they did do it.
Also its up to the nutjobs to prove they didnt , not the other way round - they already took photos and put it on live tv.

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yes

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No surprise that you resorted to the "nutjob" offensive attack.

It's the low hanging fruit, ad-hominem "argument" that "skeptics" use to appeal to the masses who have been conditioned by decades of being met with ridicule and attempts to discredit/dismiss (as you've just tried to do) by the same government that provided the "mountains of evidence" on tv that YOU provided as YOUR "proof". - Eyeroll -

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So just to be clear, are you asserting that the US government faked their moon landing?

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Since you OBVIOUSLY need what I've ACTUALLY said explained to you in as CLEAR a manner as possible so that you can understand, what I've asserted is that it's POSSIBLE that A (singular) moon landing was faked.

Not surprisingly, like most people whose arguments on this subject are based on resorting to the "nutjob" offensive, you have tried (disingenuously(?) to frame the discussion as an Either/Or choice, indicating that you are either ignorant to the fact that there have been MULTIPLE alleged moon landings in the U.S. space program, or, are deliberately trying to deceptively suggest that I've suggested ALL of those alleged moon landings were faked.

So since you specifically said "their moon landing", YOU need to make it very clear which SINGULAR moon landing YOU are asking about.

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I did take in the singular/one of them bit yes .

I'm not sure what the point you were making is with:
"Hey kids dont trust the government , dont be a sheeple - they could have faked the moon landing you know . I'm not saying they did, but they could have , at least the first one"

Well - anythings "possible" . Donald Trump might actually be Gary Oldman in a fat suit .
What I mean by that ^ is "why use this moon landing example?

There are plenty of documented real examples of governments being untrustworthy
Resorting to total wacko conspiracy theories to make your point doesn't lend you any credibility.

To further build on this.
NO they could not have faked it . The whole world was watching - it wasnt like spotting the strings in a movie's special FX - it was happening , for real , and there were billions of people on the planet to observe and point out if it wasnt happening .

Dont you think the Russian military / cosmo dept / astronomers would have called them out ?

This comedy sketch illustrates the absurdity of the idea of it being fake quite well:
https://youtu.be/P6MOnehCOUw




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It's interesting that you haven't relied on "the mountains of evidence" you first referred to as proving your argument, and instead, have now repeatedly simply resorted to the "nutjob"/"wacko"/"absurd" offensive to lend YOURSELF credibility.

All you've illustrated is the intellectually-lazy/low-hanging-fruit, ad-hominem "argument" that "skeptics" use to appeal to the masses who have been conditioned by decades of being met with ridicule and attempts to discredit/dismiss (as you've just tried to do AGAIN) by the same government that provided the "mountains of evidence" on tv that YOU provided as YOUR "proof"...which I referred to earlier and which you've conveniently ignored because you realize that with your comments here you're only making yourself appear to be a shill for the same "argument". - Eyeroll -

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Haha.. That's so weird because I was just going to come on and start the exact same topic.

After watching the 11.22.63 mini series recently it instantly made me think of Costner's opposing viewpoints with his characters when it came to Oswald.

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Lol, watching this for the first time and that line caught my attention too!

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