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This movie is a remake of 'Pretty In Pink' (SPOILERS)


....with the genders switched.

Andie-is a male, Keith Nelson (Eric Stoltz)

Duckie-A gal, Watts (Mary Stuart Masterson)

Blane-A gal, Amanda Jones (Lea Thompson)

This time, there is no female Steff McKee, Andie/Keith (Stoltz) has a dad and a mom, plus siblings. Also, he's an artist, and Duckie/Watts is a drummer. There is no prom, and this time.....

Andie/Keith gets Duckie/Watts!! Mostly because Amanda/Blane realizes that she's just 'slumming' with Keith.

Anybody agree, or disagree?

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Yeah, they're a lot alike...

But they're also different enough that I think that they are both good in their own ways.

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The similarities are undeniable, but it's not really a remake of Pretty in Pink. It's more of a twin actually. John Hughes wrote both screenplays at the same time and simply decided to make Pretty in Pink first. If Some Kind of Wonderful had been made first, and sometimes I wish it had been, everyone would think Pretty in Pink was a remake of Some Kind of Wonderful.

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that would be saying any love triangle with a best friend would be a rip off of pretty in pink, it's just something that is easy to write about sometimes

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Personally, I prefer SKOW over PIP. I like PIP, but I like SKOW more.

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I completely agree with you!

"In Vino Veritas"

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I wouldn't say it's a remake but I could see it as an alternate ending. This is how it would have ended if Andie had stayed with Duckie instead of Blane. I heard Pretty and Pink originally did end with Andie and Duckie staying together but they tested it with audiences and it didn't work so they changed it so Andie stayed with Blane.

"I'm not crazy M'Lynn, I've just been in a very bad mood for forty years"

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I actually liked this one better. PIP was too sentimental and depressing in some areas. The father in this one was responsible and busted his butt to provide a good living for his family, despite his lack of higher education. The PIP father was depressed and living on unemployment, probably with Andie supporting him.

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I actually read somewhere that john hughs made some kind of wonderful to satisfy the audiance that wanted to see andie with duckie. or i guess in this case kieth with watts. I think that some kind of wonderful is great but at the same time like another poster on this forum said unrealistic. If I recall they said something of the nature: keith who is in love with amanda jones, and who spends their entire college savings on, realizes at the end of the movie with one flasback that he is infact in love with his best friend watts"
mind you i am paraphrasing.

pretty in pink was a good movie and i think a wee bit more on the reality side. I mean duckie imo portrayed a person who is secretly in love with his best friend perfectly. I mean he showed excitement for her even when inside he was crushed and he supported her even though at times he didnt. But watts to me was always rude and grumpy whenever keith mentioned amanda jones. Like if i am secretly crushing over my male best friend im not going to act like a brat when he like a girl. especially when i know that this same friend has no clue that i am secretly in love with them. to me watts was sabotoging her friendship with keith by acting that way. especially in the scene when shes the chauffer for keith n amanda, and shes being a b!tch.keith was right when he confronted her and was like "Hey your the one who volunteered to do this so why are you so mad!"
paraphrasing of course.
And what person do you know is going to spend their entire college savings on a pair of earrings for a girl that they have a crush on? I mean pretty in pink was just a bit more realistic because blane never did anything that was out of the norm for a guy who liked a girl. and it wasnt like amanda was soo upper class that he even needed to buy her such expensive earrings/food. i mean afterall he knew that she lived around the corner from him and that she was on his level. i know that the whole earrings bit was because he wanted her to own her own oppose to borrowing her friends, but still: your not going to blow your entire college savings on the girl. i dont care if your going to college or not.

but i digress.
the movies are both similar but i agree with what another post wrote: some kind of wonderful is just pretty in pink with an alternate ending if andie had chosen duckie.



Now now now..im not saying your ugly, im just saying your not pretty.

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It's Pretty in Pink with a less fantasy ending of the poor girl getting the Prince.
It's also got a better message: Be happy with you, not by association to what everyone is saying is the ideal (i.e. the rich 'good' side of the tracks).
Why is PiP a 'happy ending'? Because Molly actually 'gets' the rich guy at the end because of WHAT he is instead of WHO he is (because WHO he is is a real jerk)? The message is Molly is sucessful not of her own merit as a person, but because she 'achieved' advancing her station through 'capturing' a man of 'means'.
In SKoW, Keith lets go of the phony 'ideal' and realizes that happiness comes from being happy with who you ARE. Once he's let go of the phony manufactured 'love' (i.e. desire to be 'in the big league' with the '10' girl and beat the guy of wealth), he realizes that it isn't HER that makes him happy. It's Watts. He admits to himself that he loves Watts for Watts.
Far better message and ending if you ask me.
(Personally, I bet Blaine was cheating on Molly with his secratary within a year of their marriage because Molly was cold to him after realizing she didn't really care about 'Blaine' himself.)

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I don't think Blane is any more of a jerk than Duckie is in the movie... He is actually pretty nice to everyone, but he gives in to peer pressure from Steff, who is a very manipulative sociopath, and has to redeem himself later. Duckie berates and abandons Andie just because he's mad she's dating someone else, which isn't a very nice thing to do or trait of a real friend. He also has to redeem himself later. It's a happy ending because Andie gets the guy she wanted the whole movie, who overcomes societal pressure to realize he doesn't care what other people think. She never saw Duckie as more than a friend, so he doesn't really lose anything by her going after Blane. They restore their friendship, and you can have hope that one day he will find a girl who doesn't just see him in the friend zone.

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It was John Hughes himself who wanted the Andie/Duckie ending. That was the original ending of Pretty in Pink (it was shot and edited). A test audience thought it was suggesting that social lines should not be crossed and didn't like it, so the studio had it reshot.

I heard that he made SKoW to have his original ending.

It's that kind of idiocy that I empathize with. ~David Bowie

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I think if PIP had kept its original ending it would have had the same effect as SKOW - the protagonist spends the whole movie obsessed with one person who's out of their league, oblivious to their best friend's love, and at the last second, suddenly switches and return's the friends romantic feelings. It's not really all that satisfying because Keith doesn't seem to like Watts as more than a friend during the whole movie, except for the last 5 minutes. And Andie certainly never seems to see Duckie as anything but her annoying best friend.

Both Duckie and Watts react negatively to their best friends' romantic pursuits. Duckie flat-out yells at and then abandons Andie just because she is going on a date with Blane, and then is nasty to them when he sees them later that night. He basically ends their friendship over it, and then he doesn't show up for her again until after Blane has broken it off with her. Watts is rude about Keith's interest in Amanda, but she actually is way more reasonable than Duckie was.

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Actually, it is kind of a remake. John Waters wrote both screenplays. In Pretty in Pink, he wanted Andie and Duckie to end up together, but that ending didn't go over well with audiences so the ending was changed to have Andie end up with Blaine. Personally, I understand why the original ending didn't go over well, Duckie was a bit too weird for most people to want him to end up with Andie. I didn't want Duckie with Andie either. I like Duckie but he gave me the heebie-jeebies sometimes with his overwhelming weirdness.

Anyhoo, after the ending was changed, John Walters wrote another screenplay (Some Kind of Wonderful) with the ending that he wanted...the two best friends ending up together. He fixed the problem from the first movie...made the best friend a bit odd without being overwhelming weird (like Duckie) so in this new movie the audience actually rooted for Keith and Watts (the best friends) to end up together instead of rooting for Keith and Amanda (the best friend and popular girl). Basically, John Walters simply made Duckie too weird in the first screenplay he wrote and people just couldn't imagine him in a romantic relationship with Andie (the thought actually gives me the willies). He corrected that problem in Some Kind of Wonderful and it turned out to be the better of the two movies.

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TITCR. Thanks cloudburst.

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Just watched some kind of wonderful. They obviously had their similarities, too much so in my opinion.

As for Stoltz, he came off rather stupidly. I'm not sure about his acting chops either. He was great in Mask, but I struggle to remember him standing out in any acting roles. I may need to see more to decide. Lea Thompson is not the hottie that would raise my flag pole compared to Mary Stuart Matterson and its funny to read the Molly Ringwald turned down the part of Watts. If she did take it, it would have been more lopsided.

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I can't argue against the OP's conclusion.

It just shows how the same plot can be presented in a very different way.

I didn't find PiP that interesting. But I loved SKoW.

I think the reason was that I identified with SKoW as a male more. I identified with Keith, loved Watts, found Amanda attractive and liked the bald guy. Plus the antagonist was completely hateable and reminds me now of Angel from Buffy (although that is another matter).

I just didn't really identify with any of the male character in PiP and didn't really find Molly that appealing.

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I've always assumed that John Hughes had a personal story he wanted to tell. He tried to tell it with Pretty in Pink, but he was obliged to change the ending, and wound up with a completely different film from what he intended.

So Some Kind of Wonderful was his 2nd chance to tell the story with the ending that he wanted. I like both movies, but there is something about SKOW that feels more genuine. I also remember reading a long time ago that both scripts were written before either movie was made - he must have been really obsessed with telling this story .... maybe it was the fantasy ending he didn't have in life? Anyway, I always think of these 2 films as a pair, though I prefer SKOW.

Generally speaking, I think men prefer this one, and women prefer Pink.

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I'm a woman and prefer SKoW. It seems more heartfelt then PiP.

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