Nicole, I hope your prepared to lose zende for good. To surrogate for myra & rick once was selfless and amazing. To do that a second time makes you a fool. Myra & Rick are totally selfish. You knew that this nearly destroyed your relationship before. Now, you are gonna put sasha back with zende. Myra and rick will have their family & you will end up in the cold all alone.
It's really odd that Maya keeps talking about this maternal instinct she has yet she never struggles with the fact that she carried Lizzie and gave birth to her then had to give her away. You'd think if she's so maternal, she'd have at least some difficulty with the situation.
shareMaya was practically badgering Nicole into the pregnancy, she just wouldn't stop going on about it. I was happy Nicole said no, but then of course she had to break down and agree to do it once she held Lizzie. Nicole can kiss her relationship with Zende goodbye.
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Zende was adopted. This family is very wealthy. I don't know why they need a biological sibling and why they won't consider adopting a child to give them a better life. Maya and Rick are very selfish and superficial.
shareRick adopting wouldn't be a good idea. Look at how he throws "You're not a Forrester" in Ridge's face every chance that he gets. I'm surprised that he doesn't say that too Zhendi or when Marcus was on. If he gets mad, at his child, he'd probably say to them that they weren't a real Forrester.
shareWhile they are selfish for asking Nicole to do it (and not even offering to pay her), it's not selfish for them to not adopt. Why should they? No human is responsible for another human, with the exception of one's biological parents. It's not Rick and Maya's responsibility to provide a good life for some kid; it's the responsibility of that kid's parents. If they can't or don't want to take care of their kids, they shouldn't have had them. Condoms are not expensive, and if it breaks, you can get an abortion. If you're against abortion, here's an idea-shut your legs. It is so easy to avoid having kids out of wedlock and/or that you cannot afford, that there is just no excuse. If Rick and Maya want to take care of something that isn't biologically theirs, they can get a cat. If Rick and Maya want another kid, they should pay someone to surrogate for him and use Nicole's eggs.
Why aren't you telling everyone to adopt instead of having their own kids? Why are you only singling out people with fertility issues?
If you're against abortion, here's an idea-shut your legs.
Maybe Sasha could be the surrogate rhis time.
shareThe whole surrogate angle pisses me off anyway..this show and the writers have a great chance here to push adoption but they go with this angle..it's kind of offensive to me, they're basically saying that an adopted baby won't be as loved or accepted as one that has "their DNA"..
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I have a feeling after today seeing that Zende and Nicole broke up, Rick & Maya might have a change of heart.
shareThere is no way that will happen. They both have to be the most selfish people in the world. They will just try to act like they feel so bad, but they will not do something that doesn't work toward getting them what they want.
They know how zende felt the first time, they knew before they asked that he wasn't going to be happy about it, but even if they could try to convince anyone that they didn't, there is no way they missed his facial expressions and unhappiness when they asked this latest time.
They just flat out do not care.
I hate to sound morbid but I think cheldove's idea of Nicole dying in childbirth could be a good storyline. Some posters have been clamoring for the Avants to be on more often and having them mourn the death of their daughter and battling Rick and Maya because of their selfishness might make for good watching.
I would hate to see it, but I think we all know something bad is coming with this storyline. Some think Nicole is going to be already pregnant with Zende's baby, but I think it's going to be much more. Why even bother going down this road again?? This storyline again has no purpose.
shareWhy would she die in childbirth? No reasonable person is going to risk their life just to procreate, even the hardcore pro-lifers. Assuming that she is in fact a reasonable person, if Nicole's pregnancy is putting her in danger, she'd just get an abortion.
shareI think you might be right. But by then Sasha will be pregnant, this time for real...
shareVendboygreg, I get what you are saying about adoption but I will never judge someone for going the surrogate route. As someone who has always longed to be a mom, it is very heartbreaking to not be able to have a child. To never feel a child growing inside of you, to feel it kick, to never see what a child you created with your husband would look and be like. I don't feel anyone should be judged or shamed for how they decide to have a children. Why is it that no one tells people who can have children that they should go out and adopt and that is selfish to want their own child but yet everyone tells women who cannot have children, "You can just adopt, that it is selfish to want her own child or to feel a sense of loss, and that surrogacy is selfish becaue she should just adopt instead of finding a way to have her own child. I have even heard people say that God made me unable to have a baby to punish me or because I would be a bad mom.
Adoption is very expensive and there are very long waiting times and there is so much involved. Also to be able to qualify to adopt, the adoption agency will come to your house to ensure it is safe for a baby/child, long questionnaires, personal and professional references, and way more. Then you have to worry about the birth mom changing her mind because anytime she changes her mind and wants the baby, pretty much she can take it back because the courts don't see adoptive parents as real parents.
With surrogacy, there is usually an iron clad contract, some insurances cover the costs, you get a baby created from your egg (or a donor egg) and your husband's sperm and you have a baby of your own. You get to see his/her ultrasounds, watch him or her being born. It can be very beautiful and a dream come true.
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The whole surrogate angle pisses me off anyway.
Why? Because Rick and Maya are making a different decision from what you would do?
this show and the writers have a great chance here to push adoption
They're not obligated to push adoption just because you want them to. They will write their show how they want to, not how you want them to. Don't tell them how to do their job.
it's kind of offensive to me
Evolution offends you?
they're basically saying that an adopted baby won't be as loved or accepted as one that has "their DNA"
Why would it be? Most people don't love their pets as much as their kids because the former doesn't have their DNA, so why would they love some random kid as much as their own kid? All animals, including ourselves, are biologically programmed to love their own kids, not someone else's. If we didn't, most species would not last long.
It's not Rick and Maya's fault that some kid's parents spread their legs and were too lazy to wear a condom. As such, it's not their responsibility to take care of the resulting child-the responsibility lies on the biological parents. And why aren't you telling everyone to adopt instead of having their own kids? Why are you singling out people with fertility issues?
Maybe Sasha could be the surrogate rhis time.
Why should she? What have Rick and Maya done for her?
If they do have Nicole become the surrogate I suspect she'll lose the baby at some point. Sasha will yell at her for what she's doing to Zende, Nicole will get a pain in her stomach, gets rushed to the hospital and finds out she lost it.
I can't see them going through 9 months of this.
It's even worse than that. They seem to be going the old cliché route of Zende knocking up Sasha for real with Nicole wanting him back and deciding not to go through with the surrogacy. After all, in the world of soaps, everyone has revenge sex with their girlfriend's sister a second time 2 minutes after breaking up for a second time.
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