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Why would they NOT have anyone on the Sulaco


It really never made sense to not have a team or at least one person on the Sulaco. Why not leave someone on there and avoid being totally cut off should the drop-ship transport is not an operable. They seem to keep people on transport while others go exploring, so why not the main transport?

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Same reason you don't leave anyone at home, in case your front door key stops working.

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That is not even remotely similar to the question I asked.

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Fine.....

The Sulaco is an unbelievably advanced piece of equipment that can navigate through weeks of long distance space travel and arrive at its destination with almost pinpoint accuracy all by itself. You can even remotely operate most of the Drop, because it's that automated.
Why would it now need another crew aboard, just in case? Same argument as your house key, actually, but whatever.

The small skeleton squad (not even a full compliment, based on the number of weapons in the armoury and lockers in the sleeping area) have been sent out to deal with what is most likely a downed transmitter. What could possibly go wrong?

Also, what makes you think their lives are actually worth the cost of an extra crew on board the Sulaco?
If the ground crew are cut off, why risk another crew to save them? Waste of money. This is Weyland Yutani, here.

Or just because it's a convenient plot vehicle and the film would be much shorter and very boring if they did that. You'd be nice and happy because your film made utter sense, but it'd be over in half the time. Just like the sensible kids who DON'T go up to the old abandoned cabin by Death Lake for a weekend of sex and drinking...

Plenty of reasons - Take your pick...


They seem to keep people on transport while others go exploring, so why not the main transport?

No, they don't.
They have one officer who co-ordinates the squad, to the point where they can be split, quartered or even sent off individually and still remain in co-ordinated communication. He is not there "just in case" because he's one officer who can do very little if his people all find themselves needing him to save them. You'd need a full APC crew at least, else the thing is mostly useless.

They have one pilot and one weapons officer/loadmaster on the Dropship, because that's just their job. Having them as a separate element facilitates rapid deployment and extraction.

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Because space travel is costly, that is a given. While the hardness level of the Alien universe is not relatively all that high and we see interstellar travel approached a bit more casually, it can still be reasonably assumed that if you can have one fewer head in cryo, you do. Hence the Sulaco's heavy automation to begin with.

There were contingencies for the scenario of active dropship becoming inoperable or unavailable:

* use of the transmitter on board the APC to remote pilot the second dropship

* use of the radio hardware present at every Company colony site to do the same, which would ordinarily be trivial to do from any terminal anywhere onsite.

That the redundancy was not more robust in a one-squad deployment like this is probably a factor of USCM's typical mission not containing the magnitude of threats encountered in Aliens to begin with; and especially, scenarios like this radio-silence one on LV426 rarely implying more than a transmitter failure with small possibility of easily-dispatched xenomorph involvement. Hence why it WAS a single-squad operation. A larger deployment in line with an expected larger threat would have contained multiple vessels, multiple squads, multiple dropships and multiple APCs thus having additional redundancy by nature.

Incompetence of personnel is also a huge factor in why this drop went to hell so severely in general and applies here as well. If dropship crew Ferro/Spunkmeyer had only paid attention to securing their aircraft and closed the ramp, shot that single xenomorph as it attempted to enter, or responded appropriately to the slime/resin Spunkmeyer found near the ramp with an armed search of the ship for its source before proceeding; and had thus not been killed, and not crashed, this would not even be a question. It ties into the "typical mission" observation in that I imagine years of responding to technical difficulties and xenomorphic pests/minor threats (bug hunt) has rendered the troops lazy and careless.

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Is leaving the Sulaco alone and unmanned really all that much different than when everyone aboard is asleep in cryo? In hindsight they should have left someone, but they weren't expecting to lose the first drop ship. Things might have been different if they took Ripley's "story" more seriously but they were overconfident in their ability to handle any situation which might arise down at the colony.

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Kind of our point. No one expects to loose a drop ship but you prepare for it anyways. This is a flaw in the script but not a fatal one.

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I posed that same question months ago. It seemed to be the logical thing to do. If your team got in trouble at least you'd have someone to come to the rescue.

But the Marines did not seem to think that they would encounter any situation which they couldn't handle. Remember how Gorman told Ripley when they paid her a visit in her apartment, "We are trained to handle situations like this."

Clearly he had NO clue what "a situation like this" was. It's a big puzzlement to me. Gorman tells the Marines that they have Ripley's report "on disc" and suggests that they watch it. So did they watch it? Did they take her seriously? And Ripley, knowing how seriously dangerous ONE Alien was, should have been way more forceful in explaining what happened!

When Gorman interrupted her, if I had been Ripley, I would have said, "Not so fast!! You people are tough (as Sargeant Apone said "bad asses" lol) but you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are getting into. Trust me, I saw this thing in action and the worst thing you can do is to be overconfident in your ability and your weapons."

Ripley was sent as a consultant. Sure she was still traumatized but she took on the gig and she needed to get her head out of her butt and impress upon these people what an immensely dangerous creature they were up against. In her explanation to the Marines, she looked like a weepy, weak female who saw some friends killed in an accident instead of explaining what a dangerous killing machine the Marines would be facing.

The Marines went in overconfident and overly sure of their abilities. If Gorman had any sense he would have left one person onboard to send down the other dropship. It was a total screw up all around. I think Burke was somehow responsible for getting someone like Gorman who was clearly over his head, in charge of the mission.

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I think Ripley did say stuff like that. Maybe not at that point . The marines were never going listen to her though.

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And, only two dropships ... lightyears from any outpost? Very stupid design. Also ... by this time in history they would not have tube displays, and probably would have sent down a drone to investigate. What would the Alien creatures do or think about a drone? Maybe nothing?

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Good point! That fits into that other thread about things that make the film look dated .
And... we know they have drones 'cos they send one in to Ripley's bedroom when she is rescued at the start.

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Ripley's bedroom?

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yeah , it was a room on , well it must have been that lifeboat from the first film , but she was asleep in it , on a bed i think - so it was a bedroom :)

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Maybe hibernation chamber?

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I'm gonna start calling my bedroom that :)

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It certainly is a strange future, where the US Military relies so much on its communications and automation capabiltiies it doesn't even need a skeleton crew, much less a crew at all, to remain on their capital ships in space.

The Aliens movie would have been over in the first 45 minutes if the USS Sulaco had a crew that was able to pick up the Colonial Marines after the botched attempt to locate the colonials, so that's probably the main reason Cameron opted for no crew on the Sulaco.

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I remember thinking that this movie was kind of goofy for pretending to show a battle cruiser with no one on board, like they did not have the budget to even pretend there were more soldiers, or weapons. I mean, like look at one of our aircraft carriers and how much hardware and crew is carried with it ... it is like a city. I loved the movie, but found the imaginings of the military and civilian colonizing crew ridiculous, merely trying to rely on our stereotypes of soldiers and farmers from past TV shows, not trying to really imagine what a future imperial space colonizing would look like.

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I think part of the problem is that the Sulaco is clearly a huge ship with a lot of extra room, equipment, etc. (not to mention a whole extra drop ship that they apparently didn't bring another flight crew for?), which makes it seem weird that they have such a tiny number of people and no one extra to stay and mind the ship.

It would have worked better if they had made the Sulaco some kind of small fast-reaction scout ship that was cramped inside and only had room for a few marines (and no extra dropship).

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Exactly this.

It was a very strange choice by Cameron to have what looks and feels like a battleship crewed by, what 20 people?

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It didn't seem to really be crewed at all; the marines never interact with the ship in any way, they're just passengers.

I wonder what would have happened if there had been a hostile warship in orbit when they arrived? Would the marines have controlled the Sulaco during a battle? They certainly didn't seem like they would have known how to do that (they were basically grunts). Maybe they would have just pressed the ship's "fight that" button and let the computer do it?

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Well I wasn't expecting a prompt reply on messaging a 9 month post but there you go!

Bishop had to pilot the dropship down, so I doubt they had much in the way of automation. I think Cameron just sacrificed story so he could have the cool, huge ship crawling through space look. As you say, the story problems could have very easily been fixed by having it be a smaller ship.

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Arguably Bishop piloting the dropship counts as automation ;)

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After the event of Alien: Covenant they decided that if a fool-hardy promoted member of the team for into a position which could cost the company billions they should all go down to the planet.

Didn't really work out for them though did it?

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Not only that but the electrical activity of the planet's atmosphere made communication with the ship almost impossible. Stupidity is the main driver of all horror and most science fiction movies.

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Well now, that isn't really true. The reason for lack of communication was the dish needed lining up, which Bishop does and has no problems communicating with the Sulaco and bringing down the second dropship.

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I was talking about Covenant, mentioned by Houdini. That's the problem with busting into the middle of a discussion without reading the context.

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My bad.
Didn't realise you were talking about Covenant.

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Thanks. No biggie.

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I never understood that part either. Maybe they needed all hands on deck looking for the colonists? I dunno.. guess the real reason is to have a movie lol

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To add to the suspense I imagine. This is done so often in movies. Maybe Star Trek with its crew of 500 anonymous people and how hard it is to write for such a large group caused this. Things break down ... never let everyone leave the ship at the same time. There must always be a maintenance crew that is competent and even has command over the mission. But, if they are so dumb as to open the airlock for people with alien infections ... what difference does it make!?? ;-)

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It is odd that no one was left on the Sulaco when you consider that in Alien they had a three off four on rule. Though I suppose that was for take off purposes.
Best guess is over confidence. They had remote access for the second dropship on the APC (wasted when the APC was totalled) and Bishop was able to link up with the Sulaco via the colony comms dish and prep and remote pilot the dropship with a portable unit. Plus, they had all kinds of weapons (including knives and sharp sticks ;-) ), to deal with any (they thought) threat. On top of that they didn't fully believe Ripley, so as Vasquez says, all they really needed to know was 'Where they are'.
So yeah, overconfidence.

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>> Best guess is over confidence.

To me that kind of makes the most sense. If I was there, and living a boring life in a space freighter ( talking about Alien ), it would be the opportunity of a lifetime to go onto an alien world.

In the Sulaco, maybe they all wanted to get some action. It is just that they never really put anything that would indicated that in the dialog or the plot. It would have been sensible for ... commander? ... to set a landing party, and then everyone saying they wanted to be part of it. That would have made a good scene.

But honestly, the soldiers were right to be over-confident, in reality nothing like the Alien could exist. Grows to immense size by eating nothing. Has blood that would eat it from the inside, and an over-articulated mouth with a small bitting area that really would not be that threatening ... only in a horror movie.

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True.After all they thought it was just another bug hunt.

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They might be a bunch of gung ho marines, but surely whoever planned / authorised the mission, would be a little more sensible, and send a janitor to stay on the Sulacco. Clearly they didnt tho.
Maybe Weyland Yutani just rented the ship and gear from the Navy , but didnt want to pay for too many people?

In fact , given that nobody believed Ripley, why send soldiers?
I'm pretty sure they didnt use that huge battleship to get the colonists out there , or for the no doubt regular supply drops.
Where did they get it?

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I think Burke may have been the one to arrange for a rag tag group of marines with an incompetent lieutenent in charge to go and check out a downed transmitter. which in itself seems a pretty low profile job.

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