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Wrestling is by far the most


demanding sport. You have to keep your weight under control. You have to be in peak physical condition at all times. You have to have outstanding cardio and flexibility. You need total discipline and a killer mentality to be great at this sport. Look at the greats like Dan Gable. He gave 100% every time out there and when he was done wrestling, he gave 100% coaching his guys.

If any parents out there need to teach their kids discipline, wrestling is surely the right sport. It will get anyone in shape and also teaches them how to be mentally tough. Two very important traits to have in order to succeed in life.

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Well MMA pretty much blows up that theory now. MMA is similar to wrestling but with added dimension of striking.

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And wrestling is by far the best base in MMA. The majority of the top MMA fighters have a background in wrestling so the OP's theory is pretty much spot on.

Wrestlers have a huge advantage over strikers and BJJ fighters because they can choose where the fight is taking place. If they go against a striker, they can take it to the ground. If they go against a BJJ fighter, they can keep it standing.

MMA is not and probably won't ever be a high school sport.

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You can't really fight MMA until you're 18 years old so if you're to participate in some sort of a competitive sport in high school prior to that this would be the best way of going to get ready for a future MMA career.

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That is quite true, the current incarnation of MMA has really shown that wrestlers who train and become competent strikers are the among the most formidable opponents. In the original MMA (the one-day tournament format, no time limit, no scoring), the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighters had the most success (probably due to the no time limit).

And yes I doubt MMA will ever be a high school sport, but I have seen kids as young as five training in MMA and allowed to spar when they get a bit older. My 8-year old niece studies at one of Gracie family's gyms in Tampa. It's great exercise and teaches discipline and focus to kids. She absolutely loves it.

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I am wondering what the bigger adjustment would be, a person with martial arts training (maybe kickboxing or karate or boxing) that involves a lot of striking but very little wrestling or grappling adding the wrestling or grappling to his or her repertoire to be an MMA fighter or a skilled wrestler having to learn the striking to be a complete MMA fighter? Which adjustment is more difficult?

Also, it could be argued that wrestling is MORE difficult in some ways than MMA fighting even though it SEEMS the other is more demanding because an MMA fighter can hope for a good punch or kick to knock out or at least damage an opponent to make the take down easier but at just wrestling you cannot rely on that and have to entirely take a person down.

It could be argued that boxing is less aerobically demanding than wrestling because i have seen boxers sort of put up defenses and get in clutches to buy time to catch breath and you get a full minute of rest after every 3 minute round.

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I don't know about that. There have been plenty of wrestlers in not so great shape like Mick Foley, Kamala and Abdullah the Butcher

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Do those three have any wrestling titles outside of the professional wrestling cosplay events?

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I don't know. Kamala probably not though. He was discovered in the jungles of Uganda and had no education. I don't know Abdullah's background. Mick Foley grew up on Long Island, NY so he might have won a title while in high school

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Are they really wrestlers when they engage in mock combat with a predetermined outcome?

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Its not always pre determined. I saw a match between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels where Bret submitted and he said that wasn't the planned finish

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That was probably part of the script.

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